MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[narch]

Watching all year, I'd have to say Kimbrough is incredibly valuable.  Perfect shooting in two tournament games is handy, but that's a small part of the story.  His sense of the moment is remarkable.  When we need it most, he's come through big-time, time after time.  I'll take him on my team, anytime.

sludge - i totally agree...kimbrough is clearly a money player - he certainly hit some big shots against the monarchs in fayetteville, and it looks like he's doing it when it matters most - i really like the way he values the ball, as well - he's just not going to throw it away very often, and almost never when it's crunch time

[ODACfan1]

      Just wanted to see if I could get some feedback on the Regional games this weekend.  Are the games always played on campus of one of the teams in the Regionals?  Being a fan of the ODAC, I am happy to see that Wesleyan will be hosting this year.  I am however a little confused as to why Wesleyan was awarded homecourt for the second year in a row.  Shouldn't they have to go on the road somewhere this year after staying in the state of Virginia throughout last year's run?  Also, Wooster is not awarded for being the top team in their regional if I am correct.  Just seems like they should play these games at nuetral sites so that teams can't use their homecourt advantage.  Everyone knows that it plays a huge part in wins and losses.  Not saying that Wesleyan was not the best team in the nation last year, or perhaps this year...but by letting all teams play at nuetral sites would be fair.  

[algernon]

I've made a few corrections of conference affiliation to your list, Algernon, including noting that Rose-Hulman was in the SCAC in 2003-04 and thus not part of your analysis.  This is Rose's first season in the HCAC.

Thanks for doing that, David.  I have edited out the Rose-Hulman entry.

By the way, how many posters are able to correct someone else's post? 

[David Collinge]

I've made a few corrections of conference affiliation to your list, Algernon, including noting that Rose-Hulman was in the SCAC in 2003-04 and thus not part of your analysis.  This is Rose's first season in the HCAC.

Thanks for doing that, David.  I have edited out the Rose-Hulman entry.

By the way, how many posters are able to correct someone else's post? 

It's a HoF privelege...or burden, depending on how you look at it. 

[diehardfan]

I've made a few corrections of conference affiliation to your list, Algernon, including noting that Rose-Hulman was in the SCAC in 2003-04 and thus not part of your analysis.  This is Rose's first season in the HCAC.

Thanks for doing that, David.  I have edited out the Rose-Hulman entry.

By the way, how many posters are able to correct someone else's post? 

It's a HoF privelege...or burden, depending on how you look at it. 

Muhahaha....  Just kidding!   

[diehardfan]

Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!

[allsky7]

Hey guys, I just thought I'd pop in to let you know about a little project we did. A group of around 40 posters banded together and created a Unofficial Guide to the 2006-2007 NCAA Tourney, that contains a team-by-team breakdown of the teams in the tournament. This is especially cool given the fact that the official NCAA guide gives you very little insight into the teams, and nearly all of the previews in the Unofficial Guide were made by fans of the team.

The website is: http://wheatonhoops.googlepages.com/ncaatourney and on that website you can find browsable information, as well as a 19 page printable PDF document. This was updated as of this morning.

While I doubt that we'll ever get any posters to submit information for the 11 teams that did not submit previews, it does include previews from 48 of the 59 teams in the tournament, and all of the teams in the Sweet Sixteen. I hope you check it out and enjoy the content!

If there are any corrections or content additions you would like to me, please submit them to me by PM. Thanks!

    diehard......My hats off to you and everyone else that put this guide together. I have not had a chance to read the entire thing but will do so ASAP. I do want to respectfully disagree with the analysis of the H-S /VWC ODAC semi game. IMO, it was more H-S rising up than it was VWC stumbling in the second half of that game. Matter of fact, VWC hit some clutch buckets down the stretch or it may have been a H-S double digit victory. VWC clearly is the superior team. I doubt there are many that would argue that point. (even Tiger fans like myself) However, for that one half of basketball, the Tigers put on an outstanding display that will rate as one of the best I have ever seen.

[algernon]

This is a summary of the ODAC's performance over the past 5 years against various so-called "power conferences".  The ODAC has played at least 5 games against five of the "power conferences" and this is how the ODAC has fared:

Against the Ohio Athletic Conference:
OAC (summed conference record = 103-131)  11,   ODAC (summed conference record = 132-102)   2

2002-03: 
Otterbein (11-7 in OAC) 82, Roanoke (11-7 in ODAC) 73
2003-04: 
Randolph-Macon (16-2 in ODAC) 59, Baldwin-Wallace (13-5 in OAC) 50
Randolph-Macon (16-2 in ODAC) 80, John Carroll (14-4 in OAC) 74
Marietta (5-13 in OAC) 85, Emory & Henry (11-7 in ODAC) 79
2004-05: 
Baldwin-Wallace (10-8 in OAC) 79, Hampden-Sydney (11-7 in ODAC) 65
Otterbein (12-6 in OAC) 82, Emory & Henry (7-11 in ODAC) 73
2005-06:
Heidleberg (5-13 in OAC) 89, Guilford (10-8 in ODAC) 84
John Carroll (8-10 in OAC) 137, Emory & Henry (10-8 in ODAC) 127
2006-07:
Marietta (1-17 in OAC) 85, Bridgewater (6-12 in ODAC) 79
Marietta (1-17 in OAC) 84, Lynchburg (3-15 in ODAC) 68
Mount Union (5-13 in OAC) 103, Emory & Henry (10-8 in ODAC) 83
Mount Union (5-13 in OAC) 50, Roanoke (11-7 in ODAC) 48
John Carroll (13-5 in OAC) 119, Emory & Henry (10-8 in ODAC) 112

Against the North Coast Athletic Conference:
ODAC (summed conference record = 97-29)  4,   NCAC (summed conference record = 76-38)   3

2002-03: 
Randolph-Macon (17-1 in ODAC) 83, Ohio Wesleyan (8-8 in NCAC) 57
Wooster (15-1 in NCAC)78 , Hampden-Sydney (17-1 in ODAC) 74
2003-04:
Roanoke (6-12 in ODAC) 82, Earlham (6-12 in NCAC) 60
2005-06:
Randolph-Macon (15-3 in ODAC) 70, Kenyon (4-12 in NCAC) 48
Wooster (15-1 in NCAC) 150, Emory & Henry (10-8 in ODAC) 101
Wooster (15-1 in NCAC) 84, Randolph-Macon (15-3 in ODAC) 70
Virginia Wesleyan (17-1 in ODAC) 59, Wittenberg (13-3 in NCAC) 56

Against the Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference:
ODAC (summed conference record = 57-33)  3,   WIAC (summed conference record = 40-40)   2

2002-03: 
UW-Oshkosh (10-6 in WIAC) 53, Randolph-Macon (17-1 in ODAC) 47
Hampden-Sydney (17-1 in ODAC) 68, UW-Oshkosh (10-6 in WIAC) 63
2003-04: 
UW-Stout (8-8 in WIAC) 71, Lynchburg (5-13 in ODAC) 66
2004-05: 
Guilford (9-9 in ODAC) 74, UW-La Crosse (4-12 in WIAC) 57
2006-07:
Randolph-Macon (9-9 in ODAC) 68, UW Platteville (8-8 in WIAC) 64

Against the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin:
ODAC (summed conference record = 59-31)  3,   CCIW (summed conference record = 36-34)   2

2002-03:
Emory & Henry (8-10 in ODAC) 89, Elmhurst (6-8 in CCIW) 78
Hampden-Sydney (17-1 in ODAC) 76, Illinois Wesleyan (11-3 in CCIW) 68
2003-04: 
North Central (5-9 in CCIW) 79, Guilford (11-7 in ODAC) 73
North Central (5-9 in CCIW) 84, Roanoke (6-12 in ODAC) 74
2005-06:
Virginia Wesleyan (17-1 in ODAC) 81, Illinois Wesleyan (9-5 in CCIW) 79

Against the University Athletic Association:
UAA (summed conference record = 19-51)  3,   ODAC (summed conference record = 27-63)   2

2004-05: 
Guilford (9-9 in ODAC) 85, Case Western (1-13 in UAA) 82
Emory (6-8 in UAA) 73, Lynchburg (8-10 in ODAC) 59
Emory (6-8 in UAA) 90, Washington & Lee (0-18 in ODAC) 77
2005-06:
Emory (4-10 in UAA) 76, Washington & Lee (4-14 in ODAC) 71
2006-07:
Washington & Lee (6-12 in ODAC) 69, Emory (2-12 in UAA) 57

[diehardfan]

allsky7: I didn't write them... only solicited responses and compiled them. The VA Wes Preview was written by a VA Wes fan, I would assume, so that means that it's going to have wording like that in it. A sharp neutral fan should be able to see things like that analyze them based on the evidence, and make their own decisions about what happened.

[David Collinge]

2006-07:
Marietta (1-17 in OAC) 85, Bridgewater (6-12 in ODAC) 79
Marietta (1-17 in OAC) 84, Lynchburg (3-15 in ODAC) 68

That is seriously embarrassing.

[algernon]

That is seriously embarrassing.

Definitely.

[allsky7]

allsky7: I didn't write them... only solicited responses and compiled them. The VA Wes Preview was written by a VA Wes fan, I would assume, so that means that it's going to have wording like that in it. A sharp neutral fan should be able to see things like that analyze them based on the evidence, and make their own decisions about what happened.

     diehard......I should have realized that a VWC fan wrote that.  That's what I get for trying to do my real job at the same time I am keeping up with all the post. 
      I wonder if whoever wrote that was actually at the game?  Funny how two people can see the same thing and interpret it so differently.    I mean...come on Marlin writer dude!! Your Marlins beat the Tigers 3 of 4 this year. Can't you at least give the Tigers credit for one half of one game of the eight halves played? 

[baselinejam]

The bottom half of the ODAC could not come close to competing against the bottom half of the CCIW, WIAC, or UAA to mention my top three this year. It is an arguement made by many. You can't hook the conference's wagon to only the top teams. If you want to talk about being a power or being a top conference, the conference as a WHOLE has to be good - not just to the top teams.

I respectfully disagree:

ODAC #8 W&L beat UAA #7 Emory by 12( & it wasn't that close). Emory beat Hood to get a crack at the Gennies.

[hasanova]

allsky7: I didn't write them... only solicited responses and compiled them. The VA Wes Preview was written by a VA Wes fan, I would assume, so that means that it's going to have wording like that in it. A sharp neutral fan should be able to see things like that analyze them based on the evidence, and make their own decisions about what happened.

Funny how two people can see the same thing and interpret it so differently.

allsky7 - It's called hermeneutics.  Named for Hermes and originally applied to biblical interpretation, it certainly applies to sports as well!  lol

[algernon]

The bottom half of the ODAC could not come close to competing against the bottom half of the CCIW, WIAC, or UAA to mention my top three this year. It is an arguement made by many.

Over the years, it's understandable that the ODAC hasn't been seen as  a "power conference".  However, it seems increasingly unreasonble to ignore the ODAC when talking about the best conferences in the country.  Over the past 8 years, there are 3 ODAC teams that have made it to the Final Four (1999, 2003, 2006).  An ODAC team took the great UW-Platteville team to double OT in the 1999 national championship game, and ODAC teams have beaten the likes of Illinois Wesleyan (twice: 2003, 2006), UW-Oshkosh (2003), and Wittenberg (2006).  It is, in fact, very possible that the ODAC will again be represented in the Final Four this year.

So the argument is made that the top part of the conference may be very good, but the bottom half is not as good as the bottom half of some other great conference such as the WIAC, CCIW, or UAA.  The interconference games that have been played suggest only that the bottom half of the ODAC is not as good as the bottom half of the OAC (see above).

The interconference games that have been played do not support the idea that the "bottom half of the ODAC could not come close to competing against the bottom half of the CCIW, WIAC, or UAA," even if it is "is an arguement [sic] made by many."

Bottom half of the ODAC against the bottom half of the CCIW:

2002-03:
Emory & Henry (8-10 in ODAC) 89, Elmhurst (6-8 in CCIW) 78
2003-04:
North Central (5-9 in CCIW) 79, Guilford (11-7 in ODAC) 73
North Central (5-9 in CCIW) 84, Roanoke (6-12 in ODAC) 74

Bottom half of the ODAC against the bottom half of the WIAC:

2003-04:
UW-Stout (8-8 in WIAC) 71, Lynchburg (5-13 in ODAC) 66
2004-05:
Guilford (9-9 in ODAC) 74, UW-La Crosse (4-12 in WIAC) 57
2006-07:
Randolph-Macon (9-9 in ODAC) 68, UW Platteville (8-8 in WIAC) 64

Bottom half of the ODAC against the bottom half of the UAA:

2004-05:
Guilford (9-9 in ODAC) 85, Case Western (1-13 in UAA) 82
Emory (6-8 in UAA) 73, Lynchburg (8-10 in ODAC) 59
Emory (6-8 in UAA) 90, Washington & Lee (0-18 in ODAC) 77
2005-06:
Emory (4-10 in UAA) 76, Washington & Lee (4-14 in ODAC) 71
2006-07:
Washington & Lee (6-12 in ODAC) 69, Emory (2-12 in UAA) 57