MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[sludge]

Disappointing to see a top d3 team dismantled by 5th year HS players, as Guilford was in thier recent loss to prep power Hargrave Military Academy 88-49http://www.hargrave.edu/athletics/sport_index.php?category_id=19

Woolax, would you kindly use Modify to revise the Subject: of your post?

[mybleedinghands]

Hargrave post grad is basically a D1 team...

PS: Lynchburg is listed as a forfeit on there because Hargrave was scheduled to play our JV team, but we ended up not having a JV team.

[hasanova]

Disappointing to see a top d3 team dismantled by 5th year HS players, as Guilford was in thier recent loss to prep power Hargrave Military Academy 88-49http://www.hargrave.edu/athletics/sport_index.php?category_id=19

As deceptive as that schedule is for Hargrave, I will be almost willing to bet it was the JV team of Guilford.  Notice the schedule has plenty of colleges (D2 Pfeiffer, D1 UNC).  I dont think the varsity teams of these schools will play Hargrave.

It was Guilford JV.  Guilford has well over 20 players - about 8 to 10 of them regularly play JV and a few get to dress for Varsity games.  Besides, most 5th year players at Hargrave would start on a DI if their grades were satisfactory.

[Jacketlawyer]

wow....congrats to RMC......they just beat CNU like a rented mule!

Well, I remember last year's game all too well.  The R-M/CNU hoops rivalry is shaping up really well, though. 8)

[donho]

Made the trip to RMC last night. If coach can keep these guys together they will be tough to handle come the end of this season.

[hasanova]

wow....congrats to RMC......they just beat CNU like a rented mule!

Well, I remember last year's game all too well.  The R-M/CNU hoops rivalry is shaping up really well, though. 8)

Jacket - got your note, but it's been a busy week.  Still looking for you in January. 

[hasanova]

Good luck to the Quakers at NC Wesleyan today.  I'm at work today, so I can't make the trip to Rocky Mount (yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and a Rocky Mount, NC).  lol  If I'm lucky, I'll listen to the second half on the net this afternoon!    It should be a good nonconference match for both teams.

[tigers]

Not sure I agree with the view that Hargrave would handle most top-tier D3 teams.  I have known many a D3 team to scrimmage Fork Union or Hargrave years ago.

Specifically, the Tigers scrimmaged Fork Union in the Shaver years.  Unfortunately, Shaver stopped scrimmaging FUMA b/c the games became too lopsided.  HSC would regularly pound FUMA by about 20 in each quarter.  Decided finding a good DII team was better and more valuable.

I believe the same was true for RMC, hence their playing DII teams as well.

[DeWayneCarter]

Of course, most top D3 teams would beat a prep school team, which is a team full of players 1 year removed from high school, and lots of times all of these players on these prep school teams aren't huge D1 prospects. They still have a lot to learn about the game of basketball, so if they went up against a junior/senior dominated D3 team, I'd expect the college team to win.

[tigers]

Exactly, Dewayne.   You grasped the point, which seemed to go against the tone of prior posts.

[SU97]

Not sure I agree with the view that Hargrave would handle most top-tier D3 teams.  I have known many a D3 team to scrimmage Fork Union or Hargrave years ago.

I tend to agree with Narch, but it's more of a by school/sport thing.  I would put money on FUMA with football, but not hoops.  Hargrave and Oak Hill Acad. (although technically not at PG program) for basketball in this situation.

[narch]

Exactly, Dewayne.   You grasped the point, which seemed to go against the tone of prior posts.

this is not to talk down to d3 basketball or the value of having upper classmen, but a team of 11 - 12 d1 frosh (that's what they are, essentially), many of whom are of the sec, acc, big east, pac-10 and big ten variety would simply beat most d3 teams...in the early signing period hargrave had guys sign with mississippi state, oregon state and wvu (along with s. florida, marshall and coastal carolina) - they will likely have 5-6 more sign, and 2 of the unsigned are among the top 150 nationally...i like d3 ball as much as anyone else, but the reality is that there are at least 3-4 players for hargrave that would be all-region type players if they were d3 players - this isn't any ordinary prep school team - this is one that is #1 in the country right now and has produced players like korleone young, lonny baxter, david west, etc.

[DeWayneCarter]

I mean, they would win some games in D3, but I don't see them getting a lot of wins agains the TOP D3 schools. College players have benifited from learning from college coaches and going through college conditioning and weightlifiting programs, so my money is still on the D3 teams. Shoot, D3 teams even beat D1 teams occasionally, and I know a prep school team isn't better than an experienced and seasoned D1 team. If Ben Strong had 27 and 11 against South Carolina, which is a school that should have a 20+ win season, think of how much he'd have against Hargrave. He'd probably go for 40 and 20. I still got my money on a Div III team.


In other news, Virginia Wesleyan lost a close one to the Newport New Apprentice school 76-75 . The Marlins came out flat and trailed throughout. They finally put together a run near the end but couldn't pull it out. These guys are going to have to learn to play with intensity for 40 minutes. Too many times, VWC has come out flat and tried to come back in the end. The game that they did come out with intensity (NC Wesleyan) they won by 20+.

[mybleedinghands]

anyone who has watched FUMA and Hargrave over the years could tell you that Hargrave is a significantly more talented team year in and year out than FUMA. As a matter of fact, Hargrave recently beat Oak Hill here in Lynchburg, VA. Sure, Hargrave isn't a mcdonald's all-american factory, but take a look around at some of the top 25 teams and major conference teams, you will find more than a handful of Hargrave alum playing significant roles on their teams. 4 that come in mind are sam young at pitt, vernon macklin at georgetown, joe alexander at west virginia, and ad vassallo at virginia tech. also among their alum include josh howard, easily one of the top 25-50 players in the nba, and david west, one of the better post players in the nba as well. Hargrave is a HIGH Division I factory. Even their "lesser" talented players often to go schools in a major conference. I'm not saying Hargrave would go undefeated in D3, BUT in basically every Hargrave game I'd put my money on Hargrave and I bet I would come out in the black and not the red when all would be said and done...

[mybleedinghands]

Lynchburg earned it's first win of the season, beating Randolph 74-70.