MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Brian Hamilton]

Mcaon over Sydney 72-66.  HSC had trouble getting off good shots with Macons in-your-face defense.  If HSC can hold onto the 6th spot over Bridgewater they will face Macon again on Thursday and I think they can take some positives from this game.  They had a shot to win the game down 2 with under 2 minutes to play and Macon made plays down the stretch.  On to the tournament!

[donho]

 Nice tribute to the seniors today at VWC. Ceremony was much more exciting then the game! Things don't look to good at LC.

[2RMCFans]

R-MC's only Senior, Jeremy Dixon, had a super game today with 15 points and 8 rebounds.  Congratulations to him in his last home game! 

Overall this was a very exciting game in a packed stadium where H-SC never gave up despite being down by double digits a few times.  Congratulations to their seniors for a great last appearance in Crenshaw.

It's going to be a great time in Salem with so many talented teams.  GO JACKETS! 

[sludge]

Guilford over E&H 122-104 on Senior day.  A big crowd was there for the fine ceremony for the four seniors (Belkoski, Edmund, Kimbrough and Strong) before the game.  What a warm recognition that was.

The coach allowed Guilford to shoot 3 pointers this time around, and we did well with it:  4 of 10.  The scoring was balanced with Henson and Belkoski leading six players in double figures, and Sanborn just a whisker away on short minutes.  28 assists greased the skids, with Henson and Kimbrough combining for 15 of them.  Strong found another double double.

There was some hot outside shooting by Emory & Henry, and Guilford's rebounding margin was only +4, but it came up short.

It was a great heartfelt reception in that gym from the Guilford fans.  A lot of feeling.

[sludge]

Just saw posted  EMU over Roanoke, 71-68.  With EMU at the bottom of the ODAC tournament seeding, it is safe to say:  no patsies in this list!

[Billy Jack]

All you guys are talking about Prehmus and his outside shooting. How about Camillo Weinz breaking the ODAC single season record for 3 ptrs. made. He made 105 this season, breaking Jeff Taylor's(RMC) record of 101.

He gets no recognition from many on this site, especially when talking about those deserving of All-ODAC this season. He averaged 29 ppg. vs. Guilford(the ODAC's best) this year, and still nobody mentioned him.
Yes, it's true, the Wasps don't have the best defense. However, it's not like their opponents let them score. Everyone knows he can shoot it, as well as Rob Hudson, who finished the year with 83 3's made. They are still able to score against anyone.

Thoughts?

[mybleedinghands]

All you guys are talking about Prehmus and his outside shooting. How about Camillo Weinz breaking the ODAC single season record for 3 ptrs. made. He made 105 this season, breaking Jeff Taylor's(RMC) record of 101.

He gets no recognition from many on this site, especially when talking about those deserving of All-ODAC this season. He averaged 29 ppg. vs. Guilford(the ODAC's best) this year, and still nobody mentioned him.
Yes, it's true, the Wasps don't have the best defense. However, it's not like their opponents let them score. Everyone knows he can shoot it, as well as Rob Hudson, who finished the year with 83 3's made. They are still able to score against anyone.

Thoughts?

They play the system. ALl Weinz does is shoot 3's. It would be more impressive if it was a regular style of basketball instead of a style that shoots over 30+ threes nearly every game.

[Billy Jack]

If "all he does is shoot 3's", then it should be very, very easy to defend him. He is the best jump shooter in the league, bar none.

[mybleedinghands]

If "all he does is shoot 3's", then it should be very, very easy to defend him. He is the best jump shooter in the league, bar none.

The so-called "best jump shooter in the league, bar none" isn't even shooting 36% from the field. If that's the best, then all the other jump shooters in the ODAC must suck. When you are a good shooter like he is and attempt 299 three pointers, it shouldn't be particularly difficult to make over 100.

Turner King is a vastly superior shooter. He's a better two point and three point shooter. Weinz is 8-16 from two range (50%) and 105-299 (35.1%) from three. Turner King is 56-138 (40.6%) from three range while also shooting 118-217 (54.4%) from two range. Sure Weinz is a good shoter and he made a ton of threes this year, but you have to be blind to not realize everyone on E&H has their stats grossly inflated by their style of ball. Put Weinz on any other team in the ODAC and he comes no where close to making 105 three pointers.

All JJ Redick did in college was shoot, that didn't make him easy to defend. Everyone and their mother knows that's what he did and he still put up huge numbers. Why? Because good coaches put their best players in the best position to succeed, regardless fo what opposing defenses throw at them.

[Billy Jack]

Actually JJ did a lot more than shoot. He came in only being able to shoot, and turned himself into a heck of a college player. But, your statistics proved my point. Weinz shoots only 3's, which would make him very easy to guard if he were an average or even above average set shooter. However, he is a great jump shooter, ask any coach in the league. Thanks for proving my point. He put up points against some of the best teams in the country(ODAC), playing half the minutes.

It's also ignorant to make a comment about him playing for somebody else. He plays for Emory and broke a major record, he deserves to be mentioned with the league's best.

[mybleedinghands]

Actually JJ did a lot more than shoot. He came in only being able to shoot, and turned himself into a heck of a college player. But, your statistics proved my point. Weinz shoots only 3's, which would make him very easy to guard if he were an average or even above average set shooter. However, he is a great jump shooter, ask any coach in the league. Thanks for proving my point. He put up points against some of the best teams in the country(ODAC), playing half the minutes.

It's also ignorant to make a comment about him playing for somebody else. He plays for Emory and broke a major record, he deserves to be mentioned with the league's best.

No one ever said Weinz wasn't a good shooter. Weinz is a good shooter, but he's not the best. He doesn't even rank in the top 15 in the ODAC for three point percentage. If he's the best, then why doesn't he rank in the top 15 in percentage? He broke a record, that's great for him. But he barely broke it in a system that heavily inflates offensive statistics. He's one of the best three point shooters in the ODAC, he's not the best and I think you'd be hard pressed to find any non-EHC homers to say he is the best.

[algernon]

Bridgewater loses by 20-some to W&L.  So the seedings are:


FRIDAY:

1pm - #1 Guilford vs. #8 EMU
3pm - #4 Roanoke vs. #5 W&L

6pm - #2 VWC vs. #7 Bridgewater
8pm - #3 RMC vs. #6 HSC


SATURDAY:

6pm - Guilford/EMU vs. Roanoke/W&L
8pm - VWC/B'water vs. RMC/HSC


SUNDAY:

3:30pm - Guilford/Roanoke/W&L/EMU vs. VWC/RMC/HSC/B'water

[Billy Jack]

That's the problem Scott.

There are too many homers on this site. Tell me how LC finishes last and has a 1st teamer and Emory finishes ahead of them and has nobody on anyone's predicted  teams. The only reason this is, is because there are no Emory fans on this site. All I wish is that people would talk about the best without such a biased opinion.

Who cares a bit about %? Ben Strong is the best scorer in the league. No one can argue that. But he's not even in the top 5 in FG % or the top 10 in FT %. What's your explanation for that?

[ODACfan4life]

This should be a very interesting tournament.  

First, let's not forget the neutral site factor.  That will be psychologically important.

Also, you have to look at teams that are playing well and/or peaking going into any tournament.  

Teams playing well or peaking:  RMC, Guilford, VWC, HSC & W&L.

Teams not playing well or peaking:  Roanoke, Bridgewater and EMU.  

As for the discussion about 3 point shooting, my intent is to disparage noone; but, in my opinion, the only true measure of legitimate three point shooting is on a percentage basis over the course of a season with enough attempts to be meaningful.  The ODAC says that a minimum of one 3 point field goal per game is meaningful so I will accept that.  Any percentage above 40% is exceptional from 3 point range over the course of a season.  The total number 3 point filed goals made would be meaningful if the percentage accuracy were above 40%.  Just use free throws as an example.  Noone would suggest that a player who made the most free throws over the course of a season must be one of the best free throw shooters if his free throw percentage was 50%.  

[Billy Jack]

OK, so let me get this straight. Chris Lofton, who many consider to be the best shooter in the country, but shoots only 38 % from 3, for the season, is in fact not the best b/c he shoots under 40 %. Is that right?

For the record, shooting 35% from 3, is like shooting 70 % from 2, which nobody does. King shoots 40% from 3, but only takes 6 shots/game, while Weinz takes more than double that number.

The last thing I'm going to say is that he broke a big record and should be recognized for it. Just as Strong will be recognized, if he breaks the ODAC scoring record, for a season or for his career, both of which belong to Emory and Henry players.