MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Billy Jack, you need to check your arithmetic.

Shooting 35% from 3 is like shooting 52.5% from 2 (not 70%).

Or were you just lobbying for 3s to be counted as 4s?

[sludge]

All you guys are talking about Prehmus and his outside shooting. How about Camillo Weinz breaking the ODAC single season record for 3 ptrs. made. He made 105 this season, breaking Jeff Taylor's(RMC) record of 101.

He gets no recognition from many on this site, especially when talking about those deserving of All-ODAC this season. He averaged 29 ppg. vs. Guilford(the ODAC's best) this year, and still nobody mentioned him.
Yes, it's true, the Wasps don't have the best defense. However, it's not like their opponents let them score. Everyone knows he can shoot it, as well as Rob Hudson, who finished the year with 83 3's made. They are still able to score against anyone.

Thoughts?

You're absolutely right to recognize the remarkable shooting of Camillo Weinz.  I saw him play yesterday, and he shot amazingly well, along with Robert Hudson.  Those guys shot great even when bothered.  I saw shots sail over lots of D in their faces or over Strong as he jumped out to the perimeter.

I can assure you, Guilford fans were very impressed by it!  Way to go!

I'll go with Mr. Ypsi on the math.  I'll bet you will too.

[ODACfan4life]

My prior post said only that 40% or better from 3 point range is "exceptional".  I never stated that anything below 40% was not worthy of recognition.  I agree that 38% is pretty good.  The lower you go into the 30% range, the less impressive it is.  E&H runs a system designed to shoot more as opposed to shooting efficiently.  The whole point is of the system is to shoot more shots than the opponent.  That system hasn't worked out too well for E&H - E&H shoots 30% from 3 point range.  Weinz is at 35%.  That's good but by no means exceptional.

I ask:  would you rather have a guy who shoots 100-200 from the free throw line, or 90-100?

[hasanova]

Shooting 35% from 3 is like shooting 52.5% from 2 (not 70%).

Agree.

[Tigerfan]

I'm underwhelmed by that record.    E & H threw up a ton of 3's; they have some decent shooters so some went in and a lot more missed.  When the opposition got the rebounds, they gave up baskets to the opposition at a greater than 60% (!) clip so they could get the ball back and chuck some more.  Mr. Weinz could get quite hot at times, but there were definitely more feared shooters in the league.  Much of the time, he and E&H got exactly the shot the opposition gave them and wanted them to take.  It certainly goes in the book as the record, but it will be viewed skeptically by many observers.

[Billy Jack]

He and E&H got exactly the shot the opposition wanted them to take? So they wanted them to avg 105? It seems to me that they would want them to take more difficult shots, or not get any shots, for that matter. If Bubba Smith had his way, he would have given the other guys the shots and given the shooters no shots, which is why the HSC assistants held up cards with shooters' numbers on them, b/c they didn't want them to shoot.

Also, this isn't baseball. These guys aren't on 'roids. They play within the same rules, with the same bad refs. It will only be viewed skeptically by close-minded individuals, such as yourself. I should expect nothing less from a Sydney fan. Classy, classy, classy!

[donho]

 Nice post tigerfan! I for one would never go see E+H play because I like to watch BASKETBALL.

[WhoWouldaThought]

Hello All -

Wanted to check and see if anyone knew anything about AJ Dowell.  He played only 13 minutes against Lynchburg then came off the bench to play only 5 minutes against Bridgewater on senior night and did not play at all in the season finale against EMU.  He is the second leading scorer behind Peery on the team and the young man who single handedly carried Roanoke to the ODAC Championship game last year.  RC's demise in February (3-5) I believe has a lot to do with his struggles.  At 14-3 heading into this month 6-2 would have put them in good shape for a potential automatic bid but they simply haven't played to their ability.  Im assuming the thing with AJ is injury related because if Moir is benching one of his senior leaders at this point of the season, there is a lot more wrong in Salem than I thought.  So clarification on this would be much appreciated, thanks in advance.  17-8 and 11-7 in conference is a very good year for most teams but I expected a little more from this squad.  For more than a half dozen years now, I've seen Roanoke's decline and also the ODAC as a whole getting better (which is a good thing) but as a Maroon Alum, I've grown to expect more from the program.  With half their roster being seniors this year, I thought it would be their year to climb back to the top and restore their supremacy, but barring an ODAC Tourney run, it will be a season viewed as a disappointment.  Page Moir has done a solid job with the program over the years and I commend him for his efforts but I feel that the program may be better suited with bringing in a new coaching staff and restoring a culture of excellence that seems to have faded in recent years.  They return 4 players with significant playing experience next years (3 seniors and a sophomore), so regardless, I hope the rebuilding effort, with Page at the helm or not, is a quick and positive one.  On another note, what do people think about Randolph-Macon's chances at an automatic bid?  Beating Sydney in the first round is essential I think, but losing to VWC (for the 3rd time this year) in the 2nd round is not a bad loss.  21-6 in a quality conference has to get you in right?  With Guilford and VWC likely being top 15 teams in the next poll, I think they have to be locks for the postseason so 3 teams for a 2nd consecutive year would be a great thing for the ODAC (I was hoping Roanoke would be a 4th but a poor February will prevent that from happening).  Good luck to all in the ODAC Tournament, and for those of you that are making the trip to Salem this year, safe travels!!!

[donho]

 I think AJ Dowell is out due to injury.

[Tigerfan]

Billy, I'm sorry you didn't appreciate my opinion, but you didn't have to get personal.  Love your movies.   

[baselinejam]

He and E&H got exactly the shot the opposition wanted them to take? So they wanted them to avg 105? It seems to me that they would want them to take more difficult shots, or not get any shots, for that matter. If Bubba Smith had his way, he would have given the other guys the shots and given the shooters no shots, which is why the HSC assistants held up cards with shooters' numbers on them, b/c they didn't want them to shoot.

Also, this isn't baseball. These guys aren't on 'roids. They play within the same rules, with the same bad refs. It will only be viewed skeptically by close-minded individuals, such as yourself. I should expect nothing less from a Sydney fan. Classy, classy, classy!

Please give it a rest.

No one cares that E&H scored 105 - their opponents scored 114. It was a cute gimmick when they could run 3 or 4 hockey lines at you the past 2 years. This year they seemed to be down to 2.5 lines and didn't have the athletes to run the Grinnell system. When you are the top 3 maker and can't make the top 15 in 3fg%, then you are just a chucker. I'll take Prehmus as my pick for top 3pt gun.

[Tigerfan]

Does it matter how many points the Wasps average if the opposition is averaging more?

Sure, the Tigers id'ed the primary shooter in every shift change, but I doubt the defense is designed to completely deny him the ball.  If that guy is shooting from at or beyond his effective range it is almost as good as a turnover.  Fire away.

[Pat Coleman]

He and E&H got exactly the shot the opposition wanted them to take? So they wanted them to avg 105? It seems to me that they would want them to take more difficult shots, or not get any shots, for that matter. If Bubba Smith had his way, he would have given the other guys the shots and given the shooters no shots, which is why the HSC assistants held up cards with shooters' numbers on them, b/c they didn't want them to shoot.

Also, this isn't baseball. These guys aren't on 'roids. They play within the same rules, with the same bad refs. It will only be viewed skeptically by close-minded individuals, such as yourself. I should expect nothing less from a Sydney fan. Classy, classy, classy!

Kinda tough for a new poster to come throwing around stuff like that ...

You're not going to get much traction for a System shooter setting a record for the most of anything, whether it's points, assists, offensive rebounds ... or even opponents shooting percentage.

[odacfan1225]

first time poster, but longer time reader, and love the site.  anyways i was just curious as to everyones "big time" odac tourny player? as in the player or players that you think will show up big time and make alot of noise and help their teams?  and its probably safe to leave ben strong out, b/c im sure he will have his usual big games.   my pick is the pg from rmc, justin short.  I think he is underrated as far as the odac goes, but he is a very solid player and is capable of going off at any time.  most do not realize that he averaged 29.8 points, including a 41 point performance against current boston college guard tyrese rice ( who played with jordan brown at lc bird) his senior and i realize college ball is alot different but he certainly is capable, and he also is deceptively fast.  the absence of carlson will certainly hurt rmc, but i also think that could be an opportunity for short to carry alot more of the load.  Other then justin i think they following players could be big,  turner king (if they get past rmc in the first round) and i think ton ton might come up big, b/c it is his senior year, as well as jermey dixon, and lastly i will be watching out for a sleeper in Josh laporte, i believe if roanoke has a suprise win, LaPorte will be one of the big reasons why.   opinions?

[steelyglen]

Final standings on the abbreviated Pick'ems:

bhamilton                 38-10        10-1
jacketlawyer             35-12         7-2
steeleyglen              31-14          6-3
jaydubyadubya        32-16          9-2
baselinejam             28-16          6-3
rmc1982                   16- 7           dnp
roomie                      15-9            dnp
oldfish                       16-10         dnp
44                              7-4            dnp
scottie                       11-13        dnp

final thoughts:
brian it had to be tough to pick RMC over your beloved Tigers (nice pick tho')

is Swickwrath out at Lynchburg? My crystal ball says yes, but can ANYONE win there?

can anybody derail a Guilford v. Va. Wesleyan final?

only 2 go to the "dance"...

the system is what it is...you think the E&H player who set the record for three's made would rather win more than he loses or maybe would like to play defense at least 1 possession per game or possibly be playing in the tournament? E&H was a factor before the "system".

catch Bridgewater in the tournament if you can...just sayin'!

Will the fall of Sydney continue? What's Bubba's future Tiger fans?

Have a great tournament guys...good luck to all...I am out!