MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[hasanova]

You guys are going great here.

As for Guilford, it is a bit of a project with 3 new starters this year.  I figure the team could have a bumpy start as it figures out the new flow.  The team will likely gel and strengthen through the year, and end well.   I project a fourth or third place finish as the team grows.  The road trip to Guilford won't be easy pickings. 

It will be an exciting team to watch, and I sure look forward to it.

Hey, Sludge.  I agree with your assessment ... and Henson and Sanborn are quality players.  Has Ben given you any insight into who the Quakers recruited for this fall?  I hope you and muckraker will make the trip to Greensboro even after the graduations.  I could always count on you being there the past four years!

[Pat Coleman]

Pat,

We obviously know that the ODAC didn't try to cater to Hampden-Sydney when making the schedule. I was simply making the point that I consider Roanoke to be a bigger rival than VWC for the Tigers (of course, in the past couple years, the match up has grown in stature).

And I was responding to algernon's geography point, not anyone's rivalry points.

This also means that Hampden-Sydney would travel to further locations such as VWC just once every two years (potentially). Haha hey...when they put H-SC, Averett, and VWC in the same sectional in the NCAA Tourney in 2007, didn't the NCAA make the statement that their whole mission, especially in DIII was to cut costs over anything else (that was a raw deal mostly for VWC that year in my mind because they put two teams that had played and beaten the Marlins in their path for the opening two rounds)?? If DIII is all about saving the bucks, then it would make more sense to make rivals as close as possible, right?

Again, just because HSC is a whole 159 miles from VWC doesn't mean that it isn't even further for other ODAC schools. In your logic nobody would play VWC twice because they're not "close" to anyone.

Remember -- you may not consider yourself close to VWC but Guilford, Bridgewater, Lynchburg, Roanoke, Emory & Henry, W&L, Randolph and Eastern Mennonite are all further from VWC than you are. You ARE close to VWC compared to them.

I'll reiterate that the schedule is for the entire league, not just for HSC. Step back out of your HSC mind-set for a moment and look at the big picture.

[HSCfan]

No, Pat. Step out of your mindset that all HSC fans are simply at an incredible bias. If you read my post at all you would have seen that teams ROTATE. I played ball, I'm not an idiot. Schedules are for the whole league. We ALL know that. I, just like Algernon, was simply making a statement. I know the geography of the state...I know that E&H is further from VWC than HSC. I am not disputing that. Good grief...why the hard feelings toward Hampden-Sydney fans?

And why get so heated in your response? It's a discussion board where people discuss topics. Can a Hampden-Sydney fan not voice a thought without being crucified by you?

[jdubyadubya]

Oh boy, cat fight! Now girls, can't we all get along? 

[ODACHOOPS]

It is a bold pick taken BC at the #2 spot, but I feel this is the year for a team like BC with the 1-2 punch of Trawick and Oblitey to have a big season.  The ODAC is so down in comparison to years past.  The fact that BC doesn't have a true pg will definitely hurt them without a doubt, Trawick can handle the ball but you don't want your 35min a game player having to deal with full court pressure as well.  However I think the ODAC (which has had its share of dominate post players in the past) will be VERY thin this year at the post and thus will allow for teams like BC to get away with not having a "true" or even descent big man.  As for Fox I don't think he ever lived up to the "D1 transfer" status that he had when he first transferred into BC.  He was a decent big man at best who would much rather float the perimeter then create contact in the paint which was a shame because on most nights he was the tallest player on the court by 3-4inches.  They will miss him strictly for his "scouting report" distraction but not for much more then that.

[ODACHOOPS]

I only have them 3rd behind BC because I really like the Trawick- Oblitey combo.  However, like I said early I see Fields really breaking out (if you can call it that) and having a huge year without the "Ton Ton" distraction.  I think Ton Ton really hurt Fields in a way with him demanding so many shots.  Fields is a flat out scorer and at times last year he wasn't allowed to "fully operate"..He will be someone along with King and Short to watch out for POY talk come Feb.

[jdubyadubya]

WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

How about an update on where some of the more illustrious ODAC alumni are these days....players like Adair, Williford, Bergman, etc. We know that Doino and Russo are coaching. Dee Vick comes back to HSC. But what about the other stars of yesteryear?

[Pat Coleman]

No, Pat. Step out of your mindset that all HSC fans are simply at an incredible bias. If you read my post at all you would have seen that teams ROTATE. I played ball, I'm not an idiot. Schedules are for the whole league. We ALL know that. I, just like Algernon, was simply making a statement. I know the geography of the state...I know that E&H is further from VWC than HSC. I am not disputing that. Good grief...why the hard feelings toward Hampden-Sydney fans?

And why get so heated in your response? It's a discussion board where people discuss topics. Can a Hampden-Sydney fan not voice a thought without being crucified by you?

I don't understand why you are applying a 2000 attitude to a 2008 conversation. You seem to be stuck in the past -- and you are even misunderstanding that past.

I'm trying to fact check, trying to apply a little balance to a conversation. You seem interested in attacking me and not sure what else. You're the one making it heated, to be honest.

[Pat Coleman]

I'll let the non-HSC fans vote on what's heated here.

And I was responding to algernon's geography point, not anyone's rivalry points.

Again, just because HSC is a whole 159 miles from VWC doesn't mean that it isn't even further for other ODAC schools. In your logic nobody would play VWC twice because they're not "close" to anyone.

Remember -- you may not consider yourself close to VWC but Guilford, Bridgewater, Lynchburg, Roanoke, Emory & Henry, W&L, Randolph and Eastern Mennonite are all further from VWC than you are. You ARE close to VWC compared to them.

I'll reiterate that the schedule is for the entire league, not just for HSC. Step back out of your HSC mind-set for a moment and look at the big picture.

And why get so heated in your response?

No, Pat. Step out of your mindset that all HSC fans are simply at an incredible bias.

If you read my post at all you would have seen that teams ROTATE. I played ball, I'm not an idiot.

I am not disputing that. Good grief...why the hard feelings toward Hampden-Sydney fans?

Can a Hampden-Sydney fan not voice a thought without being crucified by you?

[HSCfan]

Step back out of your HSC mind-set for a moment and look at the big picture.

Let them vote. This is the comment that started it all.

I simply made a statement and then you responded with this! So of course, I will defend myself with the statements that you posted above. However, this is the statement that began it all!

[HSCfan]

I mean was that really necessary? I think your point could have been made without that comment. Agree?

[Pat Coleman]

I'll stand by my take that that is nowhere near as heated as any one of your five lines of overreaction.

I put my name on my posts, too, I don't hide behind a moniker and some cheesy generic free e-mail. It's easy to take potshots when you're anonymous, isn't it?

[HSCfan]

I agree that TonTon may have taken shots away from Fields. While TonTon got much of the attention (and well deserved given his big game reputation), I believe that Fields is the best pure scorer on that team. He can come off screens, rise up for his J, but most importantly, can create his own shot and score in very little space. He even has mastered the great lost art of the bank shot!

[HSCfan]

Pat - come on man, really? Taking pot-shots? You continue this and I was simply talking about perhaps Roanoke being a bigger rival than VWC and maybe factoring that in scheduling. You turn it around into me being in my "HSC bubble" and thinking the ODAC revolves around the Tigers. Come on man.

I'm a fan of the board and thought that this was a place that we could set out our opinions for discussion. Nothing I was talking about warranted your "step out of your H-SC mindset" comment. And good, I'm glad you put your name out there...that's great! I'm not taking potshots at anyone, simply defending myself after your attack. I love ODAC basketball having been a part of it on the floor. The only thing I enjoy more than playing it is discussing it!

And it's actually not just some cheesy generic email. It's one of my two real email addresses that I use for fantasy sports and non-work related messages. Thank you. If you're really that interested in who I am...just ask. About 90% of the people here have emails that do not reveal their identity.

[ODACHOOPS]

Over the yrs the hsc vwc rival has grown and gotten very heated, however if you look long term the rc rivalry is much bigger. Roanoke packs out ONE game every year and it's the home game against hsc (of course that is the case with most teams and hsc).Hsc is Roanoke's biggest rival hands down.  Now if you ask current and recent past players of hsc they will tell you that vwc is the bigger rival just because what has happened short term with the two teams.

hscfan you just got to realize that everyone has this belief that all hsc fans live with an "hsc mind-set" and never look "at the big picture".  It's unfortunate and untrue but that's just part of what comes along with 10 odac championships. 

Oh yah and my email address on here isn't some "cheesy generic free e-mail" either...everyone on here is "anonymous"..that's why NONE'S "real name" is their posting name!