MBB: Old Dominion Athletic Conference

[scottharris]

"Besides, don't all arguments have bias in them?"

To answer your question: No

[eagleslam]

Scott...

Please give an example.  I would like to know how you can argue something and not be biased towards your point of view.

[scottharris]

Scott...

Please give an example.  I would like to know how you can argue something and not be biased towards your point of view.

I don't care rather EMU is considered mediocre or not. I can argue for EMU being mediocre and I can argue for EMU not being mediocre, either way I don't really care if they are or aren't mediocre.

[eagleslam]

Scott...

I asked to give an example as to how you can argue something and not be biased towards your point of view.  You haven't done so yet.  Doesn't matter if you care.  I didn't ask that.  Please give what has been requested, or simply ignore the request.  When you said they were mediocre, you cared then, otherwise you wouldn't have said anything.  You replied to my post, so you cared enough to do that.

[jdubyadubya]

double cat fight!

[scottharris]

Scott...

I asked to give an example as to how you can argue something and not be biased towards your point of view.  You haven't done so yet.  Doesn't matter if you care.  I didn't ask that.  Please give what has been requested, or simply ignore the request.  When you said they were mediocre, you cared then, otherwise you wouldn't have said anything.  You replied to my post, so you cared enough to do that.

I'm no longer going to argue with you if you don't read what I write. You have shown on multiple instances the unwillingness or inability to read or interpret what I write, why should I continue to argue with you? I've got better ways to waste time than try to argue with someone who refuses to listen.

[Jacketlawyer]

RMC ranked #5 preseason?  Wow. 
It sure isn't any favor to the team.  Do you realize how hard they'll have to work to even just match expectations?

Personally, I think expectations suck (along with assumptions).  Better to let it just unfold and be what it will be, and enjoy it hugely.

YJL, Sludge pretty much summed up my feelings on the # 5 ranking.  I usually enjoy it when we're not on the radar.  The Jackets will get everyone's best game this year. . . every time.

But I am proud of it, as well as the moxie Rhoades is showing by scrimmaging George Mason and opening with the Spiders.  IF, and I mean if, this season goes as expected in Ashland, it'll be a season to remember for a long time.  Also, as stated earlier on this board, it's a chance to see what can be done with a full cupboard this year.  We won't be sneaking up on anyone this year, I'm afraid!

[eagleslam]

Scott...

I have said EMU is a "suckfest".  I have presented facts that prove they are indeed a "suckfest".  If you can argue they are mediocre, and you have said you can, whether or not you care if they are, please do so.  Please give me something more than 5-4 with some close losses, at best, gets you a "mediocre tag".  Support that position.  Otherwise, you have nothing to stand on, and you lose credibility that way.  Biased or not.

So, one more time.  You said you can argue EMU is mediocre.  So argue it.  That's all I have wanted from the start.  If your statements are valid, I will recognize them as such.  If you want to keep going in circles, don't respond.

[DeWayneCarter]

Looks like the EMU/Bridgewater matchups are gonna be some good ones lol

[tigerfanalso]

Why beat a dead horse regarding EMU. The season is upon us, the results will speak for themselves. I agree, I think EMU will be no factor and will remain close to the bottom in the conference but that is just my opinion; again, the results will prove who is right and who is wrong.

Don't want football to end but I'm glad to have b'ball to fall back on when it does.

I think RMC will finish the season in the top 10 proving the #5 preseason ranking legit . They have alot of talent and an outstanding coach and I think they are going to be really good, top of the ODAC and a national contender.; the ODAC's best shot to reach the final four this season. I'll be pulling for them in every game accept for when the play HSC. Don't be afraid Jacketlawyer, be excited !!!!!

[y_jack_lok]

If R-MC and Wooster win (or, gasp, lose) the first round games at Wooster's tournament on 11/21 then they will play each other in the championship or (gasp again) consolation game on 11/22. That will be a good early test for the Jackets as DIII News ranked Wooster #15 in its pre-season poll.

[emufan]

Eagleslam,

I read the DNR article from the perspective that since Coach Dean has been at EMU.

Now, his record isn't great, but anyone who has seen EMU play for the past 19 years knows that EMU is more competitive since he has become coach.

Some of your stated facts aren't facts.  The way you "canceled" games out is laughable.  When it sports do you cross games out and say they equal each other.  That was just dumb.

[eagleslam]

emufan...

Finally, someone I can talk with.  Someone willing to bring something to the table. 

I will agree that since Coach Dean has become coach, EMU is more competitive, much more so.  But he also has had the privilege of coaching Jason Sager, whom I would consider the best player in EMU history.  And, I think, though am not sure, the school has put more money into the program.  Those things, along with players such as Arrington, Lentz, and Parkes have allowed EMU to be more competitive.  Dean is a excellent coach, but he has had players and money not available in the past.

But, just because they are more competitive does not mean they are mediocre.  I don't see where finishing 7th and 8th every year put you in that category.  If you have to wonder if you are going to ODAC's or not the last two weeks of every year, that is not mediocre, that is bad.

What facts are not facts?  I didn't say that cancelling games was a fact.  I looked at it from the perspective of if you have a great win, and a bad loss, they "cancel" each other out.  I know it is D-I football, but doesn't USC's loss to Oregon State cancel out their blowout of Ohio State?  5-4 is a winning record, no matter if they were one point wins or 40 point wins.  I just said the 5-4 record, when analyzed, showed something I considered less than mediocre.

[emufan]

EMU hasn't put any more money into the program that I know of.  They still have the smallest recruiting budet and endowment in the ODAC. Coach Dean also doesn't have a full-time assistant as well. In fact, I think you get  paid more to be an assistant high school coach then an assistant bball coach at EMU.

You mention great players that have come through EMU.  Well, that is directly because of Coach Dean working hard to turn this program around.

[eagleslam]

I thought he was getting paid more than Tom Baker did.  I must have been wrong on that one.  He may not have a full-time assistant, but does have four part-time assistants.  That gaff falls squarely on EMU.

I agree that he is a hard worker.  You will never hear me say otherwise.