MBB: NESCAC

[lumbercat]

Trinity coverage no better- their stat feed is stuck with 9:38 left with all other games eneded including overtime in Brunswick.
Too bad for the Polar Bears they played well all day but came unglued in OT.

[lumbercat]

Colby overall sports coverage including webcasts, internet etc traditionally battles it out with Hamilton for the worst in the NESCAC.

[walzy31]

Saturday February 2nd NESCAC Spreads

Bates @ Trinity
Bates-9.5
O/U: 136.0


Williams @ Bowdoin
Williams -9.0
O/U: 139.0


Middlebury @ Colby
Middlebury -19.0
O/U: 126.5


Tufts @ Amherst
Amherst -5.0
O/U: 147.5

Bates 72 @ Trinity 55
Bates -9.5 (Bates Covers +7.5)
O/U: 136.0 (Under +9.0)


Williams 76 @ Bowdoin 64
Williams -9.0 (Williams Covers +3.0)
O/U: 139.0 (Over +1.0)


Middlebury 85 @ Colby 62
Middlebury -19.0 (Middlebury Covers +4.0)
O/U: 126.5 (Over +20.5)


Tufts 89 @ Amherst 100
Amherst -5.0 (Amherst Covers +6.0)
O/U: 147.5 (Over +41.5)

[Bucket]

Midd-Colby Stats Update: Peter Lynch leads all scorers w/ 18 on 8-11 shooting. Jack Roberts close to a double-double w/ 8 pts and 8 boards (to go with a couple of blocks). James Jensen adds 13 off the bench.

Steady night for Midd guards: Wolfin w/9 assists to go with 7 points; I believe he's 2 pts away from 1,000. Thompson attempts just 5 shots, nets 10 pts. Kizel with 12, all from 3-pt range (4-5).

Only concern in the blowout win is health. I understand that Merryman had his nose bloodied early in the game and see that he only played 8 minutes. Hopefully he's ok and will be ready to go for the big games next weekend.

[walzy31]

Scott Anderson put up a monster line against Amherst today with 35 and 6...but I am going to go out on a limb and name Toomey the conference player of the week:

3-0 week against #18 ranked RIC, Bates and streaking Tufts.

Averaged 29.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.7 apg, 2.3 spg and 1.7 tpg shooting 63.9% from the floor (23-36), 61.1% from three (11-18), and 93.9% (31-33) from the line.


2013 NESCAC POTY:
Toomey -200
Mayer +150
Epley +300
Workman +350
Thompson +350
Brown +500
Ferris +600
Anderson +600

[walzy31]

Trinity over
Bowdoin over
Mid over
Amherst under

4-4 down 0.4K

I have been on a bit of a losing streak vs. Walzy's always-tough spreads, but I'll give it a go:

Bates and the under, Williams and the over, Midd and the over, Tufts and the under.  Don't feel particularly strongly about any of those ...

6-2 Up 3.8K

Trinity and under
Bowdoin and under
Colby and over
Amherst and over

4-4 down 0.4K

[madzillagd]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots. 

[Charles]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots.

Thinking Weslayan and Amherst to best teams right now.

[Bucket]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots.

Thinking Weslayan and Amherst to best teams right now.

Wesleyan? Is that you, Mrs. Reilly? I guess you missed Midd's performance on the road in Maine this weekend (+11 at Bowdoin, +23 at Colby).

Yeah, those 11-10/3-4 Cardinals--with recent wins over eastern Conn and Merchant Marine--sure look better than the Panthers or the Ephs (against whom they are 0-3). That Eastern win was huge! I mean, the Warriors are world-beaters, right? They beat Keene State, after all, by 5! The same team Midd just beat by, by, let me see, 28. Yeah, the sub-500 in the conference Cards sure are playing better than the Panthers right now. (Or the Ephs, for that matter. Having beaten Wes twice already this year, Williams would handle them a third time, I believe. Mike Maker toys with Joe Reilly.) 

Yawn.

[Charles]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots.

Thinking Weslayan and Amherst to best teams right now.

Wesleyan? Is that you, Mrs. Reilly? I guess you missed Midd's performance on the road in Maine this weekend (+11 at Bowdoin, +23 at Colby).

Yeah, those 11-10/3-4 Cardinals--with recent wins over eastern Conn and Merchant Marine--sure look better than the Panthers or the Ephs (against whom they are 0-3). That Eastern win was huge! I mean, the Warriors are world-beaters, right? They beat Keene State, after all, by 5! The same team Midd just beat by, by, let me see, 28. Yeah, the sub-500 in the conference Cards sure are playing better than the Panthers right now. (Or the Ephs, for that matter. Having beaten Wes twice already this year, Williams would handle them a third time, I believe. Mike Maker toys with Joe Reilly.) 

Yawn.

As opposed to the Middlebury team that beat Southern VT, Green Mtn, Ursinius, and Johnson St? Colby is hardly a signature win. Middlebury has one of the lowest SOS (237th) in the top 100 teams in D3, Wesleyan's SOS is 114. Just too many turnovers and lack of leadership. Think it gets them in the end. FWIW.

[Bucket]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots.

Thinking Weslayan and Amherst to best teams right now.

Wesleyan? Is that you, Mrs. Reilly? I guess you missed Midd's performance on the road in Maine this weekend (+11 at Bowdoin, +23 at Colby).

Yeah, those 11-10/3-4 Cardinals--with recent wins over eastern Conn and Merchant Marine--sure look better than the Panthers or the Ephs (against whom they are 0-3). That Eastern win was huge! I mean, the Warriors are world-beaters, right? They beat Keene State, after all, by 5! The same team Midd just beat by, by, let me see, 28. Yeah, the sub-500 in the conference Cards sure are playing better than the Panthers right now. (Or the Ephs, for that matter. Having beaten Wes twice already this year, Williams would handle them a third time, I believe. Mike Maker toys with Joe Reilly.) 

Yawn.

As opposed to the Middlebury team that beat Southern VT, Green Mtn, Ursinius, and Johnson St? Colby is hardly a signature win. Middlebury has one of the lowest SOS (237th) in the top 100 teams in D3, Wesleyan's SOS is 114. Just too many turnovers and lack of leadership. Think it gets them in the end. FWIW.

I thought we were talking about "recently," which is why I referenced the last couple of games. We'll see how Wes does when they play Bowdoin and Colby; of course, they get them at home.

I couldn't agree more that Midd has played some very weak teams this year, all of the above you mentioned, plus a few more.

Yet both teams play in the same conference, correct? In the conference, Midd is 7-1; Wesleyan is 3-4. They played each other. Midd won. They both lost to Williams, though the Midd-Williams matchup easily could have gone the other way on the game's final possession. Wes can't say the same. They each played Tufts. Midd won; Wes did not.

So, how do you figure that Wes is better?

And, honestly, based on your comment that Middlebury exhibits a "lack of leadership," I don't know why I bother. (And based on your -51 karma, I'm sure you said this to get a rise out of me and others, and yet I still take the bait....) Either you know nothing about basketball or nothing about this Middlebury team (or a combination of the two) to utter such nonsense. I doubt you'd find a better example of senior leadership than Nolan Thompson, Peter Lynch, and Jake Wolfin. All they have done during their career (with this season's post-season yet to occur):

*Three consecutive appearances in the NESCAC title game
*1 NESCAC title
*Three consecutive NCAA appearances
*One NCAA Final Four appearances

There is not another senior in the conference that can say the same thing.

What's more, one will finish the year as the team's leading scorer; one will finish as the school's all-time career assist leader; two will finish with 1,000+ points scored; one is the best defensive player in the conference, if not the country.

Yet listen to them talk—they will always defer to their teammates. Exhibit A: Nolan Thompson's recent interview with Pat Coleman. When asked about his defensive prowess, Nolan credited his coaches' film preparation and his teammates' help.

And you think this team lacks leadership? That statement is grotesque. (Ironically, of all the teams in the conference, the under-performing Cardinals have the most senior-dominant team.)

I invite fans of other programs—those who really understand basketball and the players and teams in this league—to refute such rubbish.

[lefrakenstein]

Whoops... my PER update was premature. Seems the NESCAC hasn't gotten all the stats sorted out on the website yet from today's game. I'll update later.

[madzillagd]

I won't bother with the Wes rebuttal, it's a silly notion.  However, going into the last week of the regular season here's how I'd rank to top...

1. Amherst - Peaking at the right time.  End up undefeated in league I'm guessing.
2. Williams - Midd is playing better than the Ephs but Ephs will finish league with 1 loss and I think Midd will have 2.  Ephs need to regroup before tourney play.
3. Midd - Playing 2nd best but going to finish with the 3rd best record I think. 
4. Tufts - League losses only to the big 3 likely.  Nice year for the Jumbos.  Tough tourney matchup.
5. Bowdoin - Expect a 2-0 finish in league.  Bowdoin playing well despite the losses this weekend.
6. Wesleyan - 2-1 finish I'm expecting dropping them behind Bowdoin.  SOS isn't something to talk about when you are around .500. 

[Charles]

Williams somehow manages to win 2 in Maine this weekend but I'm still not 100% sure how.  For the second day (week?) in a row the Ephs struggled to score points and nearly let the win slip away.  Total bench points for Williams today: 1.  Overall bench scoring vs their opponents this weekend:  11-46.  Outscored by 35 points off the bench in two games yet they managed to pull it out.  Nice to get the wins but doesn't leave me with much confidence going into the Amherst matchup on Friday. 

Probably more than any other team this year Bowdoin really took advantage of the Ephs zone.  They seemed to get whatever shots they wanted against it in the first half.  Despite, Epley's 19 first half points, none of the other Ephs were hitting shots consistently and they couldn't build any type of lead.  In the 2nd half, Williams came out and play man to man exclusively for the first 8 minutes and it worked.  Bowdoin began to get frustrated, force shots and Williams was able to build a 9 point lead.  Then around the 12 minute mark, Williams brought in the subs and switched to the zone.  Poof! In just over a minute the lead was down to 1 and Maker was forced to put the starters back in with just over 10 minutes to go - they never came out again.  Back and forth until the end of regulation with Bowdoin getting the last shot, but a deep 3 wasn't close.

In OT, experience really took over and Williams took control of the game in about a minute.  Bowdoin hit a 3 but after that Williams put the clamps down on defense, rebounded and pushed the ball up the floor.  Once Bowdoin was down by 4, they started taking bad shots and it was over quickly.  Sort of a let down after the hard fought game. 

As for individual performances, as mentioned Epley had a big first half with 19 but was shut down the rest of the game and finished with 21.  Maker dominated the post most of the game and finished with 22 pts, 11 rbs, 3 asts.  I know there was a lot of hope that Swords would give him trouble but he just couldn't keep up, fouling out in 7 mins with 2 pts, 3 rbs.  Hurley was fantastic and ended the game with 14 assists but the Ephs did a great job of getting in his face so he didn't score too.  2-12 on the day for Hurley, 2-8 from 3.  Interesting thing to see was Epley spent a good portion of the day guarding Hurley as did Wohl occasionally which was an interesting choice.  I'm assuming it was to allow the Ephs to have a desired rotation on the pick and roll but the added height helped prevent Hurley from getting open shots.

Thinking Weslayan and Amherst to best teams right now.

Wesleyan? Is that you, Mrs. Reilly? I guess you missed Midd's performance on the road in Maine this weekend (+11 at Bowdoin, +23 at Colby).

Yeah, those 11-10/3-4 Cardinals--with recent wins over eastern Conn and Merchant Marine--sure look better than the Panthers or the Ephs (against whom they are 0-3). That Eastern win was huge! I mean, the Warriors are world-beaters, right? They beat Keene State, after all, by 5! The same team Midd just beat by, by, let me see, 28. Yeah, the sub-500 in the conference Cards sure are playing better than the Panthers right now. (Or the Ephs, for that matter. Having beaten Wes twice already this year, Williams would handle them a third time, I believe. Mike Maker toys with Joe Reilly.) 

Yawn.

As opposed to the Middlebury team that beat Southern VT, Green Mtn, Ursinius, and Johnson St? Colby is hardly a signature win. Middlebury has one of the lowest SOS (237th) in the top 100 teams in D3, Wesleyan's SOS is 114. Just too many turnovers and lack of leadership. Think it gets them in the end. FWIW.

I thought we were talking about "recently," which is why I referenced the last couple of games. We'll see how Wes does when they play Bowdoin and Colby; of course, they get them at home.

I couldn't agree more that Midd has played some very weak teams this year, all of the above you mentioned, plus a few more.

Yet both teams play in the same conference, correct? In the conference, Midd is 7-1; Wesleyan is 3-4. They played each other. Midd won. They both lost to Williams, though the Midd-Williams matchup easily could have gone the other way on the game's final possession. Wes can't say the same. They each played Tufts. Midd won; Wes did not.

So, how do you figure that Wes is better?

And, honestly, based on your comment that Middlebury exhibits a "lack of leadership," I don't know why I bother. (And based on your -51 karma, I'm sure you said this to get a rise out of me and others, and yet I still take the bait....) Either you know nothing about basketball or nothing about this Middlebury team (or a combination of the two) to utter such nonsense. I doubt you'd find a better example of senior leadership than Nolan Thompson, Peter Lynch, and Jake Wolfin. All they have done during their career (with this season's post-season yet to occur):

*Three consecutive appearances in the NESCAC title game
*1 NESCAC title
*Three consecutive NCAA appearances
*One NCAA Final Four appearances

There is not another senior in the conference that can say the same thing.

What's more, one will finish the year as the team's leading scorer; one will finish as the school's all-time career assist leader; two will finish with 1,000+ points scored; one is the best defensive player in the conference, if not the country.

Yet listen to them talk—they will always defer to their teammates. Exhibit A: Nolan Thompson's recent interview with Pat Coleman. When asked about his defensive prowess, Nolan credited his coaches' film preparation and his teammates' help.

And you think this team lacks leadership? That statement is grotesque. (Ironically, of all the teams in the conference, the under-performing Cardinals have the most senior-dominant team.)

I invite fans of other programs—those who really understand basketball and the players and teams in this league—to refute such rubbish.

Bucket I love your passion, just I have seen a number of NESCAC games and just saw some things by Midd seniors that I didn't like in recent games. Don't think think Sha doesn't do. I just have a feeling about Wes and just think that Williams and Midd are a little behind Amherst.
I'm sure they are fine players, I'm only talking right now.

[walzy31]

And, honestly, based on your comment that Middlebury exhibits a "lack of leadership," I don't know why I bother. (And based on your -51 karma, I'm sure you said this to get a rise out of me and others, and yet I still take the bait....) Either you know nothing about basketball or nothing about this Middlebury team (or a combination of the two) to utter such nonsense.

Or he is a rubbish gambler...

Middlebury is a lot better than Wesleyan and would beat them 17-19 out of 20 times. Both teams have very talented seniors. That's all the time I'll spend on this.