MBB: NESCAC

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pick and roll

Any news regarding alternative plans if the storm expected for Sunday develops - expecting over a foot in Amherst.

Old Guy

Old Guy, one of the "two big fat guys" you are referring to is Andrew Ziemnik (#35), who leads IWU in scoring and played 41 minutes last night. He also made one of the biggest shots of the game: a long, long three-pointer to give IWU a two-point lead with 1:09 left in the game. For a 6'4'', 230 pounder that's a very athletic play. Athleticism comes in different forms — neither Wolfin nor Kizel can dunk, but we wouldn't hesitate to call them athletic.

While Ziemnik certainly fills out the uniform, he's a pretty impressive player with an inside outside game. He may not win any dunk contests in the future, but I don't think that's the only determinant of athleticism, and to Charles's point, I don't think that would stop IWU from competing with the upper echelon of NESCAC teams as they demonstrated when they beat Tufts.

As for the stretch of play you saw, Middlebury often times looks like a totally different team for periods of play, as does almost every team. IWU was really impressive in the first half, particularly on offense. Given the high esteem you hold for teams that can play, and win, on the road as IWU has this season, I'm surprised you're swayed by Charles's opinion.
PantherNation

Points taken. Chastised by my own students. Wish I had used the word "stocky" for Ziemnik. Musselman for IWU is pretty stocky too.

Midd favored over Williams - that hasn't often happened. Hope it works out that way. I have my tickets but am in some despair over the weather forecast for the weekend. The older I get, the less I like to drive in bad weather.

John Gleich

Quote from: Old Guy on February 22, 2013, 08:37:19 AM
Musselman for IWU is pretty stocky too.

Musselman = Muscle Man = stocky?

Sounds like an appropriate name  :D
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jumpshot

Thanks, Nescac1 for posting the interview with Mike Crotty. He certainly continues to represent himself and Williams College well ---and is particularly inclusive and mature in his public recognition of lots of schools and people. An excellent example to all of the value of the D3 academic and athletic experience and tone. In twenty years of Middlesex Magic Mike, and his Dad before him, have been a positive influence on the lives of many student/athletes. 


amh63

Jayhawk.....thanks for the news article.   I knew that "Big Pete" was close to 1000 points.  Read an article somewhere that he might reach that mark earlier.....maybe by tourney time.  Thought it was an Amherst one but cannot find it.  Maybe this weekend.  Still think he wants to win the 'CAC" title over his personal goal.  Be neat if both are reached this weekend.....giving Amherst three 1000 point scorers on the team!   

middhoops

Middlebury giving 10 to the Ephs on a neutral court??  Hate to bet against my guys, but I'll take ten in that match up any day... Sorry Vandy74.

madzillagd

I'm just going to take all this Midd backpedaling on the 10 point spread as a lack of confidence in Thompson's ability to play defense and shut the Ephs down.   :P

grabtherim

Quote from: madzillagd on February 22, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
I'm just going to take all this Midd backpedaling on the 10 point spread as a lack of confidence in Thompson's ability to play defense and shut the Ephs down.   :P
Interesting take.  While you are at it, please enlighten us with your Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories.

Panthernation

Quote from: amh63 on February 22, 2013, 04:32:44 PM
Jayhawk.....thanks for the news article.   I knew that "Big Pete" was close to 1000 points.  Read an article somewhere that he might reach that mark earlier.....maybe by tourney time.  Thought it was an Amherst one but cannot find it.  Maybe this weekend.  Still think he wants to win the 'CAC" title over his personal goal.  Be neat if both are reached this weekend.....giving Amherst three 1000 point scorers on the team!

Kizel is 22 points away. Both could theoretically reach 1,000 in the same game playing against one another. If so, there would be six 1,000 point scorers on the court in one game. When was the last time that happened in NESCAC play?

toad22

It seems that all big games involving Middlebury come down to the last posession, so why not this one as well?

Vandy74

Quote from: madzillagd on February 22, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
I'm just going to take all this Midd backpedaling on the 10 point spread as a lack of confidence in Thompson's ability to play defense and shut the Ephs down.   :P


I thought it had been determined from all the who deserves what post season honors banter that Thompson can only guard one man and that he does it in such a way that he offers very little help to his teammates doing the same.  It's hard to see how he would be expected to shut down the Ephs all by himself.   I'm not very fluent in smiley-face, however, and that might be the tongue-in-cheek one you closed with. 

Seriously though, in a game this big Lynch staying out of foul trouble is very important, especially early on if Williams comes out with a hot hand.  When Middlebury's outside shooters have gone collectively stone cold it has been his strong inside skills that have kept them in the game on several occasions.  And as Old Guy quickly pointed out, it is Lynch, not Kizel, who leads the Panthers in scoring.  He won't get mention in POY or MVP debates but how about NESCAC Unsung POY?  Do any of you whose loyalties are to other teams want to offer your candidates?

One last thought, with the highest respect for both teams in mind, I just hope the officiating crew lets them play.

Vandy74

Quote from: middhoops on February 22, 2013, 05:48:14 PM
Middlebury giving 10 to the Ephs on a neutral court??  Hate to bet against my guys, but I'll take ten in that match up any day... Sorry Vandy74.
Quote from: toad22 on February 22, 2013, 07:00:48 PM
It seems that all big games involving Middlebury come down to the last posession, so why not this one as well?

I can't say it any better than toad22 does middhoops.  You and I have seen most, if not all, of those games.  Why apologize for what looks to be a pretty safe bet?

middhoops

Vandy74, I think I need the dummy version.  Are you saying 10 pts. is a 'pretty safe bet'?  I agree with Toad that it'll be a last possession game.

Panthernation

Here's our preview of Middlebury's NESCAC Semifinal matchup with Williams today. We also spoke with assistant coach Alex Popp as well as James Jensen and Joey Kizel on Thursday about the weekend ahead. If you want to listen to our interviews and much more from our weekly radio show, here is the link: http://blogs.middlebury.edu/panthernation/2013/02/23/middlebury-basketball-radio-special/


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Middlebury enters the NESCAC Semifinals 22-2 and ranked 4th in the country. Very few teams that boast the Panthers' resumé, however, have faced as daunting a slate of potential opponents in a conference tournament as Middlebury does this weekend. Saturday, Jeff Brown's squad plays 7th-ranked Williams, the team that ended his team's streak of 16 straight wins to start the season. Should they beat the Eps, the Panthers will advance to play hosts Amherst, who outlasted them in a 3OT thriller 10 days ago, or fourth-seeded Tufts, which missed an opportunity to knock off Middlebury at the buzzer when the two teams played in Medford in early January.

Getting in the Zone

How well Middlebury attacks and executes against the Ephs' 2-3 zone will be a huge factor in which team wins this game. Joey Kizel told us that the team was caught off guard by the zone the first time these teams played. While the Panthers got out to a 9-point lead late in the first half, their success came largely because they were able to get stops during a 14-2 run and find looks early in the shot clock before the Ephs' zone was in place. And though transition points will be important again for Middlebury, consistently executing in the half court set will be paramount. The Panthers cannot endure another stretch late in the game where they fail to score. Despite poor perimeter shooting — Middlebury shot 3-17 from beyond the arc — Peter Lynch and James Jensen attacked the soft spots in the middle of the Williams zone, often going right at Ephs big man Michael Mayer. Lynch and Jensen combined to score 28 points on 11 of 17 shooting. Lynch was particularly effective on the floor, scoring 16 points in just 16 minutes of play as he was limited due to foul trouble and eventually fouled out of the game. Excessive play on the defensive end cannot limit his offensive performance again today; Lynch is far too valuable in this game to spend extended time on the bench due to foul trouble. If he does, however, Middlebury's guards will have to knock down shots, particularly when they get open looks. The Panthers failed to make big shots from the perimeter down the stretch and lacked options inside when Lynch fouled out, leaving Jensen to do much of the work inside. In this game, Hunter Merryman and Jake Wolfin are the two to watch. Wolfin struggled with his jump shot for much of the season, but has regained his old form of late while Merryman's season has been the reverse. After opening the season as the best 3-point shooter on the team at around 64%, the California native has gone cold, making just 3 of his last 16 three point attempts. Both will get good looks from three against the zone today and if they're knocking down long range shots while also getting good looks inside, Middlebury will be tough to beat.

Don't Overlook the Ephs

Williams, meanwhile, is being overlooked by many. Perhaps because Amherst and Middlebury seem destined to meet again after what transpired at Pepin on February 12, people have discounted the Ephs as a serious contender in this tournament. After hitting a late-season slump offensively, the Ephs have been re-ignited by the emergence of Nate Robertson (19 points in each of his last two games) and the energy of John Weinheimer, stepping in to replace a sick Daniel Wohl. Williams can score in so many different ways, first and foremost inside with Michael Mayer, the best big man in the conference, and a NESCAC Player of the Year candidate. As Alex Popp told us on our radio show, defending Mayer is difficult on its own, but because he is surrounded by three-point shooters, teams often have to defend him without helping or doubling off of guys like Taylor Epley and James Klemm.

Matchup Microscope

Guarding Mayer on an island is an incredibly difficult thing to do, but Jack Roberts, who has enjoyed a strong second half of the season, leading the NESCAC in blocked shots, has done it before. In Middlebury's 73-61 win over Williams in the NESCAC quarterfinals last year Roberts blocked 5 shots in 17 minutes, bothering Mayer with his length inside. While stopping Mayer altogether will be impossible, if Roberts can limit Mayer and make him work for his shots without picking up early fouls, he will free up his perimeter defenders.

Chief among them is Nolan Thompson, who will most likely guard Taylor Epley, Williams' talented, 6'4" forward. Thompson held Epley to just four points on one made field goal earlier this season, when Epley was among the leading candidates for conference player of the year. While Epley hasn't been as big a threat late in the season, his offense most often comes by running off of off-ball screens, and Thompson is by far and away the best Panther player to defend that kind of action.

While it's a safe bet that Nolan will match up with Epley again, he may also spend time guarding the slippery Nate Robertson, who was tremendous down the stretch in the regular season meeting, scoring or assisting 7 of the Ephs' final 11 baskets of the game. Staying in front of Robertson will be tremendously important in this game, and it would be surprising if Middlebury doesn't give Robertson a number of different looks.

Which is where James Jensen comes into the picture. Jensen has been a force defensively this season, and should emerge as a Defensive Player of the Year candidate next season. Jensen has guarded every position this year, including a stint versus Mayer. He's an aggressive defender with great fundamentals, with the strength and smarts to guard 5s and the foot speed to defend point guards. With Wohl out or limited after coming down with mononucleosis less than a month ago, Jensen is free to match up with a number of different players and seems like an ideal candidate to draw Robertson down the stretch.

The Final Word(s)

Middlebury will need to exploit the Williams zone and find easy baskets inside for its bigs. In practice this week the team emphasized getting the ball into the heart of the defense, just inside the foul line where Lynch, Roberts and Jensen can either pull up for short jumpers, attack the rim, or find open shooters on the perimeter when the defense collapses. Merryman could be the X-Factor in this game as his minutes will be closely monitored by the coaching staff. If he knocks down a couple of shots early, he could extend the Ephs' zone and find driving lanes for Kizel, Wolfin and Thompson. Defensively, Roberts will determine much of the game plan for the Panthers. If he limits Mayer and stays on the floor, Middlebury will have an ideal opportunity to take Williams out of their offense. If Roberts gets in foul trouble, however, the Panthers will have to use some combination of Chris Churchill, Lynch and Jensen to defend the star big man, giving the team suboptimal matchups on the perimeter.