MBB: NESCAC

[BooBallsCasRay]

Who is more overrated - gerry mcnamara or andrew olson?

[gobombers15]

Who is more overrated - gerry mcnamara or andrew olson?

Ha, after this weekend I thought I'd never hear anyone badmouth G-Mac for a long time but it happened this morning when I was at the gym. There's a big screen in the lobby of the gym and a college basketball pre-game show was on and this kid goes, "I hate Syracause, McNamara gets luck one weekend and people talk about him like he's God. When you think about it, he really hasn't done much in his career."

Enraged and completely baffled, I turn to the kid who I've never seen before in my life and tell him I think he's right. All overrated players have won national championships, hit seven 3-pointers in a national championship game as freshman, are one of six players in the HISTORY of college basketball to make 400 3-pointers, have won two Big East Tournaments, was a Pre-Season Big East Player of the Year...all overrated players do that. Needless to say, he didn't really have a retort for that one but he did mumble something.

The point is there will always be haters in the world. Success breeds contempt and that's just the way life is. You just gotta shrug it off and understand people don't know what they're talking about a lot of the time.

[auerbach]

gobombers......keep your day job. think a little bit before spouting off. it's one thing to back your team it's another to be blinded by them

[auerbach]

frank uible.....did bedford steal your girlfriend. why so chippy ? pretty nasty talk you coward.... hiding in a computer

[auerbach]

go bombers15, remember what you wrote about "dumbest guy" when and if you graduate from law school . if you work at a good law firm ,you'll be working for amherst guys

[frank uible]

auerbach: I'm too old for girl friends. Have I said anything untrue? We are all cowards in the computer, but most of us go a step further and only use a screen name.

[gobombers15]

gobombers......keep your day job. think a little bit before spouting off. it's one thing to back your team it's another to be blinded by them

Not blinded by Cuse at all. Just get miffed when people don't know the facts. I'm probably one of the most realistic Cuse fans there is. I had them losing to Vermont in the 1st round last year and I'll be picking against them again this year if they get a bad matchup. Doesn't change the fact that G-Mac is a fantastic player and has meant more to that institution than almost every other player that preceded him. That, my friend, is a fact.

go bombers15, remember what you wrote about "dumbest guy" when and if you graduate from law school . if you work at a good law firm ,you'll be working for amherst guys

Fist, I'm pretty sure I'll be graduating from law school. Attrition rates tend to be minimal and usually emcompass those who realize law school is not for them. Second, will I be working for Amherst guys when I get a job? Sure, it's possible. Considering all new grads start at the bottom rung of a firm, there will be many people above me, some of which may have attended Amherst. My point is this: Just because you go to a good liberal arts school does not mean that you are above every single person that goes elsewhere. I guarantee there are some kids at Ithaca that are smarter than some kids at Amherst. Same thing with Fisher and Amherst. Education is, and always will be, what you make of it. I'm not going to get into some stupid "my SAT's are higher than yours" pettiness, but I was admitted to Amherst for undergrad but chose not to attend. Further, I'm pretty sure my "numbers" exceed what the "average" Amherst students' numbers are. But this is a basketball board so that's neither here nor there.

Step down from that high horse of yours. Congrats to you if you're an Amherst student or grad. It's a fine school. That, however, does not make you better or more intelligent than I am, or anyone for that matter. Amherst fans, good luck to your team in the Final Four and I hope some of you may go forward as fans, and people, with a tad less arrogance.

[auerbach]

Insecure

[Titan Q]

Some Final Four matchup notes:

http://www.iwuhoops.com/TOURN06.HTM

Looks like the marquis players are...


Perimeter
Keelan Amelianovich (6-6/210, Sr), IWU - 18.2 ppg, 90-195 3-pt (.462)
John Bedford (6-3/195, Sr), Amherst - 17.3 ppg, 45-96 3-pt (.469)
Dan Wheeler (6-5/218, Jr), Amherst - 14.5 ppg, 67-151 3-pt (.444)
Adam Dauksas (6-3/190, Sr), IWU - 14.3 ppg, 6.5 apg, 2.6 A/T.O.
Marques Fitch (6-0/165, Sr), VWC - 12.2 ppg, 25-91 3-pt (.295)
Ton Ton Balenga (6-1/190, So), VWC - 12.2 ppg, 56-131 3-pt (.427)

Low post 
Brandon Adair (6-5/205, Jr), VWC - 18.4 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 231-371 FG (.623)
Zach Freeman (6-7/210, Jr), IWU - 15.8 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 165-284 FG (.581)
Dan Russ (6-9/210, Sr), Witt - 15.0 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 189-338 FG (.559)
Dane Borchers (6-8/215, Sr), Witt - 12.6 ppg, 7.6 rpg, 152-239 FG (.636)

[JeffRookie2]

the tufts rejects was just funny, but then again Tufts is a great school so being a tufts reject is really nothing to be ashamed of. Tufts is probably better then Amherst, again excuse me if my facts are mixed up. Next time a better chant, might be UofR rejects or Ithaca rejects

I hate when we get into 'who is better at academics' arguments on this board, but amherst is a slightly more highly esteemed academic institution than tufts, which i believe is why Amherst started the 'potsdam rejects' chants at st.john fisher. neither cheer was technically correct. Academically the NESCAC is pretty much the Div. III ivies, not to say that there aren't very good small schools out of the NESCAC (Swarthmore, Pomona, etc). Within the NESCAC the top schools are pretty much Amherst and Williams in the top tier, with Wesleyan, Tufts, Bowdoin, Middlebury and Colby forming the middle, and Bates Conn. and Trinity sitting in the back of the class.

O man, this post is going to make people mad...

[walzy31]

JeffRookie2,

Going by the US News and World Reports that is how the NESCAC shakes down so you can't take too much heat for it. But it was either GoBombers or FisherAlum who put it best saying you get what you make of your education.

Salem Civic Center...it will be good to see you again.

[Pat Coleman]

Salem Civic Center...it will be good to see you again.

Those who are coming to Salem, stop by the Wydham hotel in Roanoke on Thursday night from 8-10 p.m. That's where we'll be doing a live Hoopsville show, talking about Division III basketball and breaking down the Final Four.

Those who can't attend, listen in at http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/

[mrmike88]

Making my first trip to Salem.  We'll be broadcasting the Amherst games on WAMH (more details to come as we get them).  Walzy, you know the door is open to join us on the air.  I hope that we get some fans down to the game - Spring Break starts officially on Saturday.

[BooBallsCasRay]

just saw dan wheeler in the dining hall. believe it or not, he actually made another 3 right as i walked in. (in street clothes from approx. 714 ft.)

[nescac1]

Congrats to Amherst.  Tough as an Eph fan as this is the first time the Jeffs have advanced this far without the Ephs around to smack them down.  Williams was clearly the top N.E. program for a decade (95-04) but Amherst, with their success the last two years and returning another dominant looking team next year, has supplanted them.  Hopefully this will give the Ephs the fire they need to return to their former prominence.  Although, with the Ephs having a very thin group of seniors returning (only one guy who got significant minutes last season -- compare to the Jeffs, who have one star and two solid seniors coming back) they may need one more year, a lot of hard work, and one more very good recruiting class to get there (Williams has a lot of solid talent in the rising sophomore/junior classes).  I think next year will be a lot like 02 for the Ephs -- a young, talented team trying to make its mark a year early.  They'll need two guys to make the same leap as Shalvoy and Rose did this year (or at least one big-time impact frosh) to compete.  Unfortunately, the NESCAC will be even tougher next year.  Amherst will be as good as ever, Bates should be a legit national contender, Tufts looked flat-out nasty at the end of this year (although losing a lot of its size advantage), Trinity should be about even, and Conn and Colby will both be improved.  Even Wesleyan could be decent if their big man comes back.  After Amherst, I'd say its pretty wide open again.  Perhaps the tourney dominance over the last four years will earn the Nescac more than two bids. 

Speaking of Tufts, Amherst might want to touch base with them for a scouting report -- Witt was pretty much the only team ot shut down Tufts' offense this season.  Should be pretty similar to the Rochester game last year for Amherst, with the Jeffs having a clear edge on the perimeter, but facing a bigger team with tough intertior match-ups.  I think if  the Jeffs shoot 40 percent or better from 3, they win, if not, they are in trouble.  Prediction: Jeffs beat Wittenberg and fall in a close game to Illinois Wesleyan in the title game.