MBB: NESCAC

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think the all-region teams prove that d3hoops.com and the larger national d3 community know little or nothing about northeast hoops. Stockwell over Bedford and Cohen? WHAT!!??

The SID's from the region vote on the All-Region teams.  Pat posted here that only 4 NESCAC schools voted, which may have something to do with why the NESCAC got mis-represented in the final results.

However,

I think most Amherst fans realize that this is not a team that we match up particurally well against and that we will need to shoot lights out to win. I dont know how we are going to stop them from getting a ton of second chance points. We just need to man up and crash the boards. Goldy needs to throw his weight around. Hopkins needs to play more and show some aptitude on the defensive end. All we need though is once. Someone told me that Williams led all of 40 seconds combined in their 2 wins at the Final Four when they won the championship. Thats what we need to do, keep it close and see if we have the heart to pull it out at the end. I'm sure there are some folks in Medford who think we might.

GO JEFFS! ONE TIME!

That is probably the best assessment of things I've seen yet (in my unimpressive and unknowledgable opinion, that is).

[hugenerd]

Bedford played on an Amherst team that scored over 20 points more a game than MIT (85.2 vs. 65), however Dauria outscored him 19.5 to 17.3 ppg.  Dauria also had more rebound per game(5.1 vs. 4.6), assists per game (3.5 vs. 2.6) , steals per game (2.4 vs. 1.5), blocks per game(0.3 vs. 0.1), 2P FG per game, 3P FG per game, and FTs per game; the only numbers that were lower for Dauria than Bedford were percentages, which can be expected from the offensive burden that Dauria was expected to carry for MIT (for example, Dauria scored 30% of his teams points while Bedford only scored 20%).  In addition, Dauria helped lead MIT to a wins record that had stood at MIT for 40 years and to their first 20 win season ever.  He was ranked in every statistical category in the NEWMAC, he was player of the year in that league as well, in addition to being named an academic all-american. 


Huge,

What was D'Auria's minutes per game?

I am not sure how the two players minutes compare, but I doubt the people who vote normalize statistics per minute.  However, I am sure Dauria averaged more minutes because MIT played in more close games than Amherst, requiring more time out of their best players.

[walzy31]

Back to hugenerd,

You're blaming Bedford for scoring 2PPG fewer than the MIT kid because Amherst is a better team than MIT...and then you call me ignorant. As you would have seen in NESCAC balloting if you had the chance, Rhoten received the most points based on the votes and Bedford received the second most points. STATISTICALLY, Cohen deserved the most voter points (20, 10, and 5blocks), Rhoten the second most and Bedford probably somehwere in the 4-8 area. What coaches realize is that Bedford is really good and that he would score 22/game on any other team if his minutes per game were increased by 10 minutes every game. The league they play in makes a big difference as previously stated.

So the way I see it (and most people in NE would agree), Rhoten should have been regional player of the year, and Bedford should have been 2nd in votes which would place him on the first team. St. Claire is a force. Yvonne is so tough when he is on. Stockwell barely got 2nd team all NESCAC. Dauria's stats, even after you ran them by me, aren't impressive enough to justify POY.
I follow NE hoops and I pay attention to word of mouth. St. Claire - nasty. I knew who Nick Pellotte was last year...kid was really good (60 in a conference tourny game). But not once has anyone mentioned a guard on MIT's hoop team as being the best player (in the NEWMAC let alone) in NE.

[hugenerd]

One clarification, I called you ignorant for not actually doing a comparison or knowing anything about the player before commenting on him.  Also, obviously people who know NE basketball, or at least NEWMAC basketball, have mentioned Dauria as being the best player in the NEWMAC, since the coaches voted him player of the year and first team all-NEWMAC. Also, I didn't just list the 2 ppg in my argument, if you look back at my original message I list pretty much every statistical category and Dauria has better numbers than Bedford in all of them (except percentages as I state).  Similarly, if NESCAC coaches realize how good Bedford is, than what tells you the NEWMAC coaches don't realize how good Dauria is (obviously they do).  Lastly, Dauria played about 5 more minutes a game than Bedford (not 10) and I still think 20 ppg for a team that scores 65 ppg is more impressive than your extropolation of 22 ppg for a team that scores 85 ppg.

I dont know how you make a statement like, "But not once has anyone mentioned a guard on MIT's hoop team as being the best player (in the NEWMAC let alone) in NE.", when he was named player of the year in the conference as voted on by people who obviously know NE basketball, the NEWMAC coaches.  Additionally, he was named first-team all-NEWMAC last year, as well, so he just didnt show up out of nowhere.  He is also a 1500 point scorer for his career.  I am not trying to take away anything from any players on other teams (I wish others would do the same), I just think that Dauria's recognition is well deserved. 

[walzy31]

OK, if the NEWMAC coaches voted him player of the year that is one thing and he deserves that. But since it is obvious the NEWMAC SIDs outweighed the NESCACs, I don't think he deserves to get rewarded twice for the same honor. Bedford is 6 pts away from 1500 too but that doesnt matter for either candidates argument.
Do you like apples?
I'm flying to Salem today, how do you like dem apples?

[hugenerd]

Once again, I congratuled Amherst in my first message and said they had a chance to win it all.  However, this is an individual award so that isn't really relevent to the discussion.

[john]

 to mike t........ have you seen st.clair play......hoops fan can post what ever he wants, this is what these boards are for..and to clear the record he is not st.clairs father, i am

[formerbant10]

I think the NESCAC boys should put together some type of pick up game against the rest of NE.  That'll be a way to see who's the best in the region.

As the all knowing guru said, only 4 NESCAC SID's decided to vote.  I'm sure if all 10 had, that would've been 6 more votes for each Rhoten, Bedford, Cohen, and Dan Martin.  

I was a little shocked that Stockwell was 1st team over Cohen and Martin.  If they did it by numbers Cohen should be on there and Martin should be on there for how good a year Tufts had.  But in the end, they all made all region.  Petrie definitely could've been on there as well.  Wheeler and Olson have solid cases, but I'm sure they're happy where they are...IN SALEM.  

Going into every year most players want to win the NCAA championship, and Amherst has a chance.  I'll say it again, I don't think those guys would change too much with how their season/career has gone.  They're all a part of something extremely special.

John, greatest closing line to a post I've seen yet!

[Pat Coleman]

I think the all-region teams prove that d3hoops.com and the larger national d3 community know little or nothing about northeast hoops. Stockwell over Bedford and Cohen? WHAT!!??

You seem to know nothing about how the teams are selected. The larger national community (and in fact, D3hoops.com) have no vote in the All-Northeast Region team.

Also, Stockwell is a forward, Bedford is a guard. They were never in competition with each other at any point for any spot.

Read the All-Region page before you spout off.

[baller i b]

Keith, I did not know that you were Walzy31...good luck in Salem tonight rep tha NESCAC like tha true hoopers we are. As a side note if you watch the Bowdoin-CSC game, I would say that St. Clair has multiple fathers, who usually dress in Black and White

[formerbant10]

I think the all-region teams prove that d3hoops.com and the larger national d3 community know little or nothing about northeast hoops. Stockwell over Bedford and Cohen? WHAT!!??

You seem to know nothing about how the teams are selected. The larger national community (and in fact, D3hoops.com) have no vote in the All-Northeast Region team.

Also, Stockwell is a forward, Bedford is a guard. They were never in competition with each other at any point for any spot.

Read the All-Region page before you spout off.

I think Pat is everyone's father.

And Baller, you might be off on who Walzy is.....just a guess though.

[thunder32]

hey guys first off I have to say that I played AAU ball with Mike Dauria back in high school and he is a legit player.  I think he is one of four players who could have won the all region player of the year.  Him, Bedford, Rhouten, and St. Clair but the one thing that I dont understand is how the best team in NE does not have a single first team all selection.  Bedford should have made first team no matter how good his numbers were.  Which were pretty good and have now risen since the nescac playoff and in ncaa tourney. 

Good luck to Amherst and get the nescac a second championship in four years

[mrmike88]

Walzy may or may not be doing the halftime show with me on Friday night from Salem.  You may or may not want to listen to find his "true" identity...

I love cliffhangers.

[GoJumbosOrGoHome]

Walzy is most likely Amherst's own Pele` impersonator Mike Wohl...

Good luck to Amherst, it'd be good for the league to get another title, however, i'll be rooting for Wittenberg... something about the purple...

[GoJumbosOrGoHome]

Any thoughts on the league's out look next year.  I look for Tufts and Bates to challenge Amherst at the top. Trinity and Bowdoin should have some drop off, Look for Conn College to jump up and Williams should be really good again, with everyone but newton back. Colby and Middlebury should continue to be one man shows. Did I forget anyone.... nope!