MBB: NESCAC

[amh63]

For those schools hosting games.....what is the deal with webcasts for the NCAA games.  See the friday games have video coverages at Bowdoin and Williams.   At present, the Amherst game at home shows only live stats....other sporting events have video coverages...not under NCAA coverage  authority yet.   Question to anyone, who determines whether a game will have video coverage or not.
Will check with the Amherst SID...but any info on my question will help.   Thanks.

[jumpshot]

Williams College's Mike Nogelo is without question the top all-time men's basketball player in the NESCAC.

While there can be honest debate about the elite all-time point guards and players at other positions as near the top, no player has the following body of work:

2002 points; ave. 20 ppg (100 games played); 52% field goal percentage; 43% three-pointers; 85% foul shooter;7.6 rebounds per game; 3 assists per game. Averaged 30 points per game in a single NCAA national championship tournament (6 games) which is still an NCAA record; Williams won 100 of 114 games (97%) in Mike's four years going to back-to-back Final Fours;

...and Jostens Award winner. So, an elegant basketball player, great competitor, and an even better person.

[P'bearfan]

Williams College's Mike Nogelo is without question the top all-time men's basketball player in the NESCAC.

While there can be honest debate about the elite all-time point guards and players at other positions as near the top, no player has the following body of work:

2002 points; ave. 20 ppg (100 games played); 52% field goal percentage; 43% three-pointers; 85% foul shooter;7.6 rebounds per game; 3 assists per game. Averaged 30 points per game in a single NCAA national championship tournament (6 games) which is still an NCAA record; Williams won 100 of 114 games (97%) in Mike's four years going to back-to-back Final Fours;

...and Jostens Award winner. So, an elegant basketball player, great competitor, and an even better person.

Wow that's an impressive body of work.  What years did he play?  Did he continue to play after graduation?

[Denny McKinney]

Hey Folks. We have question up in the SLIAC / Midwest room looking for a eastern poster.

[lordofthejeffs]

@jumpshot, Mike Nogelo is NOT "without question" the best player in NESCAC history -- hard to believe you did not mention Aaron Toomey.

I couldn't find a mention of Nogelo winning a national championship, I'm sure Toomey can show him what a RING looks like...

[nescac1]

Lordofthejeffs, have you seen Nogelo play?  I don't think you can fairly opine unless you have.  While both fantastic players (as I said, they are my top two), I would take Nogelo over Toomey as well, because while both were dominant players, Nogelo was unbelievably efficient AND dominant throughout his entire career, something Toomey managed only as a senior.  And Nogelo dominated in the NCAA tourney to a degree no one has topped since.  The national championship is irrelevant  -- if Nogelo played with Williamson-Kaasila-Green-Workman-Killian-Kalema, he might well have won three titles.  I mean, Mike Crotty has a ring, but that doesn't make him the best Eph player ever.

Toomey won a title as a junior -- the senior class that year featured three elite players, including an all-American.  Nogelo brought his team to a Final Four as a junior -- the Williams senior class that year featured a grand total of one (solid) player, who never made an all-NESCAC squad.  Which is the more impressive accomplishment?  And Nogelo's classmates on the team were nice role players (neither ever sniffed all-NESCAC), but not quite as talented as Killian and Kalema.  When I think of guys who almost single-handedly willed teams that otherwise had no business being there to the Final Four, Nogelo, Horace Jenkins, and Jeff Gibbs are the first names that come to my mind. 

And yes, Nogelo did play pro ball -- I believed he played, and played VERY well, in the highest league in Spain, which is a higher level of ball than any subsequent NESCAC player has played.  Ask some of the Williams all-Americans from the past decade who played Nogelo when he was an alum just how dominant he was ...

By the way, York is up 30-10 on RIC!  They have a dude on the team who averages 28 ppg.  They have only a so-so record in a weak league, but obviously they have some guys who can play. 

[nescachoopsfan2]

Interesting - Tom Palleschi and Coach Sheldon are both quoted at the end of this article from the Tufts student newspaper as saying Palleschi may try to come back for the Jumbos next season: http://www.tuftsdaily.com/sports/men-s-basketball-sabety-leads-jumbos-with-palleschi-s-mentorship-1.2859415

[Mr. Ypsi]

Lordofthejeffs, have you seen Nogelo play?  I don't think you can fairly opine unless you have.  While both fantastic players (as I said, they are my top two), I would take Nogelo over Toomey as well, because while both were dominant players, Nogelo was unbelievably efficient AND dominant throughout his entire career, something Toomey managed only as a senior.  And Nogelo dominated in the NCAA tourney to a degree no one has topped since.  The national championship is irrelevant  -- if Nogelo played with Williamson-Kaasila-Green-Workman-Killian-Kalema, he might well have won three titles.  I mean, Mike Crotty has a ring, but that doesn't make him the best Eph player ever.

Toomey won a title as a junior -- the senior class that year featured three elite players, including an all-American.  Nogelo brought his team to a Final Four as a junior -- the Williams senior class that year featured a grand total of one (solid) player, who never made an all-NESCAC squad.  Which is the more impressive accomplishment?  And Nogelo's classmates on the team were nice role players (neither ever sniffed all-NESCAC), but not quite as talented as Killian and Kalema.  When I think of guys who almost single-handedly willed teams that otherwise had no business being there to the Final Four, Nogelo, Horace Jenkins, and Jeff Gibbs are the first names that come to my mind. 

And yes, Nogelo did play pro ball -- I believed he played, and played VERY well, in the highest league in Spain, which is a higher level of ball than any subsequent NESCAC player has played.  Ask some of the Williams all-Americans from the past decade who played Nogelo when he was an alum just how dominant he was ...

By the way, York is up 30-10 on RIC!  They have a dude on the team who averages 28 ppg.  They have only a so-so record in a weak league, but obviously they have some guys who can play.

Oh, man, you had to bring up Horace Jenkins!   He single-handedly defeated one of the best IWU teams ever in the FF in 2001.  Horace later had a cup of coffee with the Detroit Pistons (wow, was I conflicted as a Pistons and d3 fan ), but he didn't really pan out in the NBA - awfully close, though.

IF they upset Amherst and make the FF this year (which d3hoops.com is predicting, though I am not), you can add Aaron Walton-Moss to that list (in 2012 when they made the FF he was only the #2 star).

[nescac1]

Huge news re: Palleschi.  Really happy for him, and hopefully he can resume his career.  If Palleschi can return to the form he showed at the end of his frosh year, Tufts would be downright scary.  There is no one in NESCAC (heck, probably the country) who could come close to guarding a Palleschi-Sabety duo (Amherst would come closest, but it seems like Ben Pollack has a long road back from injury himself).  Toss in Haladyna and a healthy Ferris on the outside to keep defenses honest, and I think Tufts vaults to the pre-season favorite, if Palleschi can make it back.  That's four of the top returning guys in the league right there.  The only question mark on Tufts is point guard, and Tarik Smith showed that he may be able to step up and handle that position.  Wow. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Lordofthejeffs, have you seen Nogelo play?  I don't think you can fairly opine unless you have.  While both fantastic players (as I said, they are my top two), I would take Nogelo over Toomey as well, because while both were dominant players, Nogelo was unbelievably efficient AND dominant throughout his entire career, something Toomey managed only as a senior.  And Nogelo dominated in the NCAA tourney to a degree no one has topped since.  The national championship is irrelevant  -- if Nogelo played with Williamson-Kaasila-Green-Workman-Killian-Kalema, he might well have won three titles.  I mean, Mike Crotty has a ring, but that doesn't make him the best Eph player ever.

Toomey won a title as a junior -- the senior class that year featured three elite players, including an all-American.  Nogelo brought his team to a Final Four as a junior -- the Williams senior class that year featured a grand total of one (solid) player, who never made an all-NESCAC squad.  Which is the more impressive accomplishment?  And Nogelo's classmates on the team were nice role players (neither ever sniffed all-NESCAC), but not quite as talented as Killian and Kalema.  When I think of guys who almost single-handedly willed teams that otherwise had no business being there to the Final Four, Nogelo, Horace Jenkins, and Jeff Gibbs are the first names that come to my mind. 

And yes, Nogelo did play pro ball -- I believed he played, and played VERY well, in the highest league in Spain, which is a higher level of ball than any subsequent NESCAC player has played.  Ask some of the Williams all-Americans from the past decade who played Nogelo when he was an alum just how dominant he was ...

By the way, York is up 30-10 on RIC!  They have a dude on the team who averages 28 ppg.  They have only a so-so record in a weak league, but obviously they have some guys who can play.

Oh, man, you had to bring up Horace Jenkins!   He single-handedly defeated one of the best IWU teams ever in the FF in 2001.  Horace later had a cup of coffee with the Detroit Pistons (wow, was I conflicted as a Pistons and d3 fan ), but he didn't really pan out in the NBA - awfully close, though.

IF they upset Amherst and make the FF this year (which d3hoops.com is predicting, though I am not), you can add Aaron Walton-Moss to that list (in 2012 when they made the FF he was only the #2 star).

This Cabrini team is more balanced than that squad was.  They had Cory Lemons as the PG and team leader - he carried that team.  AWM was a freshman with only that one semester under his belt.  Fran Rafferty his a big game in the final, but he wasn't a big contributor either.  I've never seen anyone in person whose talents were so obviously above d3 calibre than Lemons.  He dragged that team to the final - and they only lost because he had his worst game of the year.

AWM might be a reason for them to win, if they win, but he's not nearly the sole driving force, he's just the talent who puts them over the top.

[P'bearfan]

And yes, Nogelo did play pro ball -- I believed he played, and played VERY well, in the highest league in Spain, which is a higher level of ball than any subsequent NESCAC player has played

Not trying to take away anything from Nogelo, but Will Hanley from Bowdoin is playing for San Sebastián Gipuzkoa Basket Club, S.A.D in the Spanish first tier league (ACB).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

By the way, remember Cabrini was a shot away from winning the title that year. Whitewater roared back late in the second half and Cabrini had a look for the win (or tie) on the final shot.

[Old Guy]

If Palleschi can return to the form he showed at the end of his frosh year, Tufts would be downright scary.  There is no one in NESCAC (heck, probably the country) who could come close to guarding a Palleschi-Sabety duo (Amherst would come closest, NESCAC1

Midd fans are already playing "remember when" with Andrew Locke (6'10") and Ryan Sharry (6'8") in 2010-11.

Whoever thought D3 NESCAC would be a big man's league? We'll see. 

[Vandy74]

Best of luck to Bowdoin and Williams this evening and to the LJs tomorrow afternoon.  Let's have the NESCAC represented in Salem again this year.

[booyakasha]

You can add another guy to your list to illustrate how silly the "without question" statement was: Hancock from Colby

http://www.noahbasketball.com/hancock.php

2,678 points
D3 Player of the year
4 ECAC appearances (the best a NESCAC team could hope for in those days)
1 ECAC championship and a 26-1 season