MBB: NESCAC

Friar T · February 02, 2007, 11:26:19 AM

Nescac Hoops, Grinnell faces all the same problems as the NESCAC schools coupled with the fact that it's in rural Iowa... Coach A definitely gets some help from the fact that he runs a unique system that certain players are attracted to, but he still has a hell of a time.

Harps was definitely not a PG. However he did have a sixth sense about being in passing lanes... I heard that his aunt is Miss Cleo...

Geronimo said blather...

geronimo · February 02, 2007, 11:30:34 AM

Just to clarify, the "G" in Geronimo is pronounced as an "H".

So it's really "Heronimo", spelled with a "G" for Grinnell, but pronounced with an "H" as in "her" to reflect my stature as a woman of power.

Talk about that at the dinner table tonight.

Herpes on schedule-haters.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · February 02, 2007, 11:41:24 AM

I'm not sure if this has been covered and I missed it, but Olson was nominated for the Cousy award this year, one of only four PGs outside D1 to get the nod and one of two from D3 (coincidently the other is Davey Arsenault out at Grinnell).

nescac hoops · February 02, 2007, 11:43:15 AM

Quote from: The Historian on February 02, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
And you feel qualified to comment on which was Amherst's greatest team? Are you serious?

sorry i couldn't remember faulkner/corrigan. they didn't exactly stand out in games that featured so many stars. however i can distinctly remember harper bringing the ball up after a coffin and dunk and the whole williams students chanting "uni-brow". though, i guess that didn't happen a lot and he wasn't really a pt. guard. ill stand by my initial post and say that this year's amherst team is not better than the '02-'04 teams. we can agree to disagree but i know of people not associated with amherst or williams who would agree with me.

geronimo · February 02, 2007, 11:52:09 AM

Quote from: nescac hoops on February 02, 2007, 11:43:15 AM
Quote from: The Historian on February 02, 2007, 11:07:07 AM
And you feel qualified to comment on which was Amherst's greatest team? Are you serious?

ill stand by my initial post and say that this year's amherst team is not better than the '02-'04 teams. we can agree to disagree but i know of people not associated with amherst or williams who would agree with me.

Like I said before, this may be true, although debatable. However, this Amherst team has the advantage of drawing on the experience of the three Amherst teams you mention. For those teams, the type of success the Jeffs are now accustomed to achieving was still very new. Look at it this way: you're a little unsure the first few times you go skiing, but like every other Swede on the slopes, you eventually get used to it. Amherst has now had its three or four trips down the slopes. They now know where the moguls are. They're more accustomed to navigating the slopes. They know where to buy hot coco, and they know where the bunnies like to hang out. That's the advantage this team has that those other Amherst teams did not. Put two units on my aunt and now I have two uncles, na-mean?

The Historian · February 02, 2007, 12:01:55 PM

I'm glad you still feel compelled to make personal attacks on people not associated with this board, nescac hoops. Very big of you.

And, for the record, I personally think Faulkner and Corrigan, as the starting point guards of some of the best Amherst teams of all time (by your own estimation) -- including the first to make it to the Final Four -- and first and third, respectively, on Amherst's all time assist leaders qualify as "stars."

If you didn't notice them, then, again, I have to question exactly how closely you paid attention to the great Amherst teams of '02-'04.

Friar T · February 02, 2007, 12:09:22 PM

Good call Historian. How do you not notice a guy throwing half-court lobs to Fitzy and pumping assist after assist to guys like Zieja and Schiel?

Geronimo brings up a valid point about experience. Haven't you seen the new Old Spice commericals?

Comparing this year's team to then is hard b/c they're very different teams with different strengths. Olson gives this year's group an intense scoring threat at PG, which Faulker and Corrigan didn't offer, while the incredible height of this year's group is a crazy strength as well. It's apples and oranges really...

nescac hoops · February 02, 2007, 12:18:59 PM

i realize my comment about corrigan/faulkner seemed harsh. it wasn't intended to be so. crotty, abba, coffin - schiel, fitzsimmons, zeija, harper, donavon. yes, with all those players it's hard to pay a ton of attention to faulker/corrigan - especially when crotty is the opposing pt. guard. i guess i was watching amherst more as a team than individuals. but fine, if corrigan and faulkner should have grabbed more of my attention it only strengthens my point that i think those amherst teams were better than the current one. i think olson was better than any pt. guard put out there those years and that's the one advantage i think this year's team has. but i would still take the schiel, zieja, fitzsimmons frontline over any that i've ever seen in the nescac.

friar,
i didn't notice any amherst guy ever throw a half court lob b/c those only happen in games vs. nycct.

formerbant10 · February 02, 2007, 01:10:20 PM

Just to clear up the Harper debate,

He was Amherst's small forward. Faulkner/Corrigan at the point, Donovan at the 2.

Friar T · February 02, 2007, 01:16:29 PM

So not true Nescac Hoops, so not true...

http://www.amherst.edu/sports/2002_2003/m-bball/0222_bowdoin.html

Fitzy scored his 1,000th career point in the NESCAC Quarters against Bowdoin in 2003 on a half-court alley oop from Faulkner. Just reading about his passing skills makes me dizzy...

geronimo · February 02, 2007, 01:26:14 PM

Quote from: Friar T on February 02, 2007, 01:16:29 PM
So not true Nescac Hoops, so not true...

http://www.amherst.edu/sports/2002_2003/m-bball/0222_bowdoin.html

Fitzy scored his 1,000th career point in the NESCAC Quarters against Bowdoin in 2003 on a half-court alley oop from Faulkner. Just reading about his passing skills makes me dizzy...

Wow, that is one of the better game summaries I've read on a NESCAC Website.

geronimo · February 02, 2007, 01:34:47 PM

Quote from: formerbant10 on February 02, 2007, 01:10:20 PM
Just to clear up the Harper debate,

He was Amherst's small forward. Faulkner/Corrigan at the point, Donovan at the 2.

Small forward no. Big guard with mustache yes.

I'm thinking of changing my handle to formerpioneer10 just so everyone know's I'm a has-been and what my jersey number was.

formerbant10 · February 02, 2007, 01:48:26 PM

Has been would insinuate that I'm no longer playing. But to each their own Heronimo

nescac hoops · February 02, 2007, 01:52:01 PM

oh sorry, friar. it was against that great bowdoin team that the lob occured not nycct - i'm always getting those two tough teams confused. can you find me the link when faulkner/corrigan put up a halfcourt lob to fitzsimmons the next weekend in the championship against williams. apparently i don't have a good memory - i think faulkner blew by cole around midcourt and lobbed one up over coffin and fitzsimmons brought it down. or perhaps the only thing memorable that happened at midcourt that day was coffin/crotty/folan holding up the nescac trophy. fill me in.

geronimo,
easy on formerbant. great player and the only one who has true insight on this board as a recent player.

booyakasha · February 02, 2007, 02:18:34 PM

Quote from: The Historian on February 02, 2007, 12:01:55 PM
I'm glad you still feel compelled to make personal attacks on people not associated with this board, nescac hoops. Very big of you.

As for the above statement, I think that's a little like the pot calling the kettle black, wouldn't you say? I distinctly remember one of the Amherst forum faithful referring to the Crotty, Coffin, Abba contingent as mutants and social outcasts. It may not have been specifically you, Historian, but at this juncture I tend to lump the more outlandish Amherst posters together, and I lack the desire of backtracking to find out who made this claim. I don't understand the need to reduce the content of this forum to childish banter and bashing. The Amherst posters are not the only ones (and I recognize the fact that it is not all Amherst supporters involved in this), but tend to be the majority of the stone throwers. Comments like the message directed at the Conn College poster to "tuck your tail between your legs and away", or something along those lines, do no good for this forum. He is really the only poster that gives any insight to the Camels; why would he want to continue to post after remarks like this. I'd rather not lose the insight gained from the only CC poster due to a childish remark like this. I began the year pulling for Amherst to perform at the highest level and represent the cream of the crop in the Nescac, which they have so far. I still would like to see them win a national championship. Due to the attitude of a few of the posters on here, I now find myself subconsciously rooting against Amherst. I don't understand why any true fan of Amherst would want to lose, although be it loose and from afar, a fan. The men on the team don't deserve it, and you shouldn't either. And for the record, I have no connection to Amherst or Williams. Hopefully this message will act as a bit of a wake up call, and I can go back to being a lurker reading game recaps and civil debate without having to sift through all of the garbage.