MBB: NESCAC

hoopjunkie · February 14, 2007, 07:14:59 PM

I really don`t think there is any controversy for player of the year
It has to be Olson . As much as I dislike all things Amherst he is the best
player in the league simply because he makes players on his better .
He also has been extremly consistent . Inconsistency has plauged alot
of players under consideration . Actually the only players I have ever considered
for POY are Stockwell & Cohen . Both of them have been very inconsistent .
Stone is soft ,Farrell is just a shooter , Kelly is nice but his team is awful ,
Wheeler is a good player like 5 other forwards who i`m thinking about .
Olson in a no brainer -

Dr E. Spengler · February 14, 2007, 07:44:06 PM

Ballaholic, the problem is actually on your hands since you wasted all that time not realizing that its a Player of the Year award and not a MVP. Better luck next time.

At least you're not trying to build a raft out of an old car to make it to Florida like our Cuban friend, La Verdad.

nescac hoops · February 14, 2007, 07:49:54 PM

Quote from: ballaholic4 on February 14, 2007, 06:53:23 PM
this leads to a more important question:
2) what player can you remove from which team that has the most drastic impact on their team's record? THAT is the POY, my opinion the list looks like this:

1) Stockwell (bates -6 wins)
2) Farrell (colby -4 wins)
3) Cohen (colby -4 wins)
4) Stone (conn coll -4 wins)
5) Ray (bates -3 wins)
6) Wheeler (amherst -3 wins)
7) R Kelly (weselyan -3 wins)
8) Olson (amherst -2 wins)

That would be my list for POY, cuz that's really what makes the most difference

i don't think rose is worty of POY. i'd take olson, but williams was AWFUL w/o rose. they lost to teams like framingham st., wesleyan, etc. when rose wasn't in the line up. they went from an awful team to a solid, 3rd place team with his return. williams would probably have 4 more wins or so if rose had played all year. you at least have to mention him in this scenario....b/c it actually happened and williams had a drastic improvement.

fpc85 · February 14, 2007, 09:37:19 PM

Has the NESCAC always been a league of solid guards who are good shooters but may lack some athleticism and hybrid front court players who may be more comfortable on the perimeter than in the post ?

Has the NESCAC ever have a team that played a full court pressure stye of defense? If so, were they successful?

La Verdad · February 14, 2007, 10:59:17 PM

Quote from: frank uible on February 14, 2007, 07:09:08 PM
Who is more powerful Santa Claus or Ditka?

Trick question, Ditka is Santa Claus.

Quote from: Dr E. Spengler on February 14, 2007, 07:44:06 PM
At least you're not trying to build a raft out of an old car to make it to Florida like our Cuban friend, La Verdad.

Shouldn't you be helping Walzy with his time machine?

formerbant10 · February 15, 2007, 12:47:09 AM

Quote from: fpc85 on February 14, 2007, 09:37:19 PM
Has the NESCAC always been a league of solid guards who are good shooters but may lack some athleticism and hybrid front court players who may be more comfortable on the perimeter than in the post ?

Has the NESCAC ever have a team that played a full court pressure stye of defense? If so, were they successful?

Harper was pretty athletic, as was Leo Jones a few years back....just to name a couple.

nescac hoops · February 15, 2007, 09:00:48 AM

Quote from: ballaholic4 on February 14, 2007, 06:53:23 PM

this leads to a more important question:
2) what player can you remove from which team that has the most drastic impact on their team's record? THAT is the POY, my opinion the list looks like this:

1) Stockwell (bates -6 wins)
2) Farrell (colby -4 wins)
3) Cohen (colby -4 wins)
4) Stone (conn coll -4 wins)
5) Ray (bates -3 wins)
6) Wheeler (amherst -3 wins)
7) R Kelly (weselyan -3 wins)
8) Olson (amherst -2 wins)

That would be my list for POY, cuz that's really what makes the most difference

let me start off by saying that i don't hink chris rose deserves to be the POY and that i agree with a lot of the (-) numbers on the list corresponding to certain player but how do you not mention rose on the list? your list is speculation, even though i happen to agree moreorless with the numbers, however chris rose didn't play for the first part of the season and his return brought drastic changes....true story not speculation. they had losses to wesleyan, framinghman st., montclair st., and rpi without him. they lost to wesleyan at home without rose. with him, they went down to wesleyan on the second day and won pretty much wth ease. i can't say if the ephs would have won those other three game but i think at least two of them. regardless, the ephs went from looking like they would struggle to make the nescac playoffs in that stretch without rose in the beginning to finishing third in the conference with him. he's not the POY but at least belongs on the list you compiled.

amherst fans can yuck it up if they want to, but if the ephs didn't have those 4 bad losses without rose, they might be in pool c contention.

formerbant10 · February 15, 2007, 11:07:07 AM

Any real thoughts on All Conference teams now that the season is over?

Rob Kelly looks like he should be 1st team....2nd in scoring (in front of Stockwell and Cohen), 3rd in rebounding (behind Stockwell and Cohen), 6th in FG%, 15th in FT%, 4th in blocked shots (behind Cohen). Wouldn't have expected it going into the season but he has produced.

Also, pretty similar numbers for Zak Ray and Pat Martin, but numbers wise Farrell is a little bit better (save turnovers).

nescac1 · February 15, 2007, 11:49:54 AM

This is the most balanced all conference race I can recall. I'd go with, and this could well be affected by conference tourney play:

Olson (POY), Cohen, Kelly, Ray, Wheeler (first team)
P. Martin, Baskauskas, Stockwell, Farrell, Rose (second team)

But, you can replace anyone on the second team with any of Weitzen, Pierce, McLaughlin, Shalvoy, R. Martin, C. Stone and it would be hard to have a big argument about it. Do you penalize Stone for being on the worst team? Rose for his rough start, playing with a broken hand, which skews overall statistics? The Trinity guys for being on such a balanced team w/out a true go-to guy? Baskauskas for starting the season on the bench and being the third most important guy on his team? Given that coaches tend to recognize seniors, I'd say Wheeler, the Colby guys, the Bates guys and Kelly are all locks, plus of course Olson, leaving three spots basically up for grabs. The conference tourney will probably be the deciding factor for those.

Other awards are easier. ROY is Pierce, if eligible, if not Choice, Geoghegan, Schultz and Bernier are top candidates in order (with Steven Wheeler, based on limited stats and pedigree alone, earning the Baskauskas Memorial What If? Award). Defender of year is Cohen followed by Ray and McLaughlin.

formerbant10 · February 15, 2007, 12:06:32 PM

If the Trinity guys are going to get "punished" for being on a balanced scoring team, why wouldn't the Amherst guys also get "punished." I don't think Wheeler had a 1st team season.

I don't see any difference in Baskauskas and Robert Taylor....I'd actually give the edge to Taylor, but clearly I'm biased.

I think Russ Martin should be on there somewhere, Trinity's leading scorer and most important piece of their offense. Don't believe me, ask the players if they missed him in the Amherst game.

mrmike88 · February 15, 2007, 12:18:15 PM

I agree with your argument on Russ Martin, but I don't think Trinity missed him too much in the Amherst game.

Wheeler might not have had a first-team season statistically, but he was the leading scorer on Amherst, and as far as I can tell they don't run nearly as many plays for him. He earned a lot of points the hard way down low this season, and I personally think he's an underrated interior defender.

As much as I love Baskauskas, there are too many deserving players out there to think he'll make second team over some of the other guys. I think you have to at least think about Kino Clarke, Shalvoy, or even his teammate McLaughlin before you go for Baskauskas.

WeezyFBaby · February 15, 2007, 01:22:48 PM

i think midd has to be represented in some way in the postseason honors.

amherst is a great team that had a great season, but i feel like they don't need to have 3 guys on the all-conference team to reward that. olson and wheeler are first team great players, Baskauskas is not. I agree with mrmike: don't think he should be there. maybe susbstitute andrew harris, middlebury's leading scorer at 13 a game and shooting 45% from 3. He has been their most consistent player in NESCAC play. If we're talking about not letting Trinity be punished for being balanced, the same is true about Middlebury. Their starting lineup averages 13, 12, 11, 10, and 8 points. But someone needs to represent them on the all-conference team I feel.

Also NOBODY has mentioned Tim Edwards for ROY. He's a starter on a 4th place NESCAC team averages 8 pts, 4 boards, and 2 assists. His lower numbers are on account of his role as defensive stopper, and because Middlebury uses Thompson, Harris, and Smith primarily on offense. But Edwards guards the other team's best player every game. He deserves ROY as much as anyone else.

formerbant10 · February 15, 2007, 02:37:00 PM

Quote from: mrmike88 on February 15, 2007, 12:18:15 PM
I agree with your argument on Russ Martin, but I don't think Trinity missed him too much in the Amherst game.

Wheeler might not have had a first-team season statistically, but he was the leading scorer on Amherst, and as far as I can tell they don't run nearly as many plays for him. He earned a lot of points the hard way down low this season, and I personally think he's an underrated interior defender.

As much as I love Baskauskas, there are too many deserving players out there to think he'll make second team over some of the other guys. I think you have to at least think about Kino Clarke, Shalvoy, or even his teammate McLaughlin before you go for Baskauskas.

Just because the Bants won doesn't mean they didn't miss him.

Your argument for Wheeler is the same for Russ Martin. Leading scorer for the Bants, high percentage shooter and underrated shot blocker.

hoopjunkie · February 15, 2007, 03:17:42 PM

I agree with Weezy Wheeler is NOT a first team all -nescac , for that matter
neither is Baskauskas . Enough Amherst biased picks !!

I would pick Weitzen or Pierce from Tufts . Look at their stats as compared to
Wheeler , not just points , but rebounding , assists , shooting percentage ,
3 point shooting percentage . Come on guys look at the facts .

With that being said lets see how far the Jumbos go in the playoffs . It has been a
crazy year .

nescac hoops · February 15, 2007, 03:24:26 PM

wheezy,
i think there are a lot of talented freshman this year and i think edwards is one of them. however, geoghegan is a starter for the 3rd place team and averages 7 pts. and 7 boards in only 21 min/game with most of the plays run for shalvoy and rose. i'm not taking anything away from edwards but i think a lot of the teams in the nescac could make a case for their rookies. that being said, he would probably make the all-rookie team and should be mentioned among the top frosh.

will midd's gym be "rocking" like it was for the williams game this weekend?