MBB: NESCAC

[ephoops]

For Williams fans interested in seeing an interview with Paulsen, Rose and Shalvoy filmed last week prior to the Trinity / Amherst weekend, check out the link below:


http://www.williams.edu/athletics/flash/?folder=Men'sBasketball

Includes clips of the Bowdoin and Colby games.

[Pat Coleman]

New No. 1 team named.

[walzy31]

Amherst should have scheduled a game against any team in the country that has a nine win and nine loss record since they are all weighted equally.

Florida Memorial (9-9) = Temple (9-9) = UW-LaCrosse (9-9) = Kentucky (9-9) = Averett (9-9)

Makes no difference, they are all 9 and 9.

Off the topic of top 25 poll which just came out (and I agree with it Wash U #1 and Amherst #2).

I wanted my 400th post to be what I am known for (spreads & All-Crazy), and since it is too early to start the draft of the 3rd annual All-NESCAC All-Crazy Team (although there are some crazies already on the big board), here are Walzy's picks for the weekend.

Colby +17.5 @ Amherst       Amh 82 - Col 64
Wesleyan +11.0 @ Bates    Bates 70 - Wes 59
Conn Coll -1.5 @ Tufts        Conn 67 - Tufts 65
Bowdoin +7.0 @ Trin           Trin 66 - Bowdoin 59

Wesleyan +22.0 @ Tufts          Tufts 91 - Wes 69
Colby +16.5 @ Trin                   Trin 72 - Colby 55
Bowdoin +9.5 @ Amh               Amh 74 - Bowdoin 65
Middlebury +1.0 @ Williams     Williams 67 - Midd 66   
Conn +10.0 @ Bates                Bates 66 - Conn 56

Individual Totals (two games combined):
Weitzen and Pierce each score 46 points
Wholey scores 43
Hopkins scores 39
Olson scores 35 and highest assist total (18)
RT3 scores 32 and high rebound total (25)

Lawrence Maroney Rushes in the Super Bowl:
Over 19.5 (-120)
*Under 19.5 (-120)*

[Pat Coleman]

Amherst should have scheduled a game against any team in the country that has a nine win and nine loss record since they are all weighted equally.

Florida Memorial (9-9) = Temple (9-9) = UW-LaCrosse (9-9) = Kentucky (9-9) = Averett (9-9)

Makes no difference, they are all 9 and 9.

Yeah. I think you know differently. But the difference between NAIA Division II and NCAA Division III is negligible overall. D-III is actually 114-87 overall against NAIA-II this season. Only at the very top of the division are there teams we shouldn't expect a Division III team to be able to beat.

[JeffRookie2]

New No. 1 team named.

so, have you officially taken to outright gloating that amherst is not #1? Considering that the tally was so close that your putting us at least as low as #4 could have been the deciding factor in costing us the top spot, and the fact that you obviously take glee in our misfortune, i think it is only reasonable that you have your vote suspended.

[Pat Coleman]

Same post I posted in the Little East, MIAA, Top 25 discussion boards. Oh, and the UAA, where the No. 1 team actually is from. So don't feel like you were especially singled out.

Suspending my vote doesn't make Amherst No. 1, either. But reading the poll and knowing some math would tell you that.

But in case you need help with that, me putting Amherst at No. 4 would've meant only a three-point differential from them being No. 1.

I had Amherst No. 2.

[JeffRookie2]

Think it's a three-way battle for No. 1: Mass-Dartmouth, Rochester and Wash U (in alpha order).

Thanks for the math help pat. Unfortunately, A) your claim that you had us #2 is totally inconsistent with your earlier assertion that Amherst was not one of the 3 teams you were considering for the top spot (see above), so its clear you're lying B) im betting you had us considerably lower than 4th, and C) whether or not your post telling us to check out amherst's not being #1 was gloating, there is plenty of evidence to prove your bias against amherst

Even if your bias did not cost us #1 this time, close votes like these illustrate how voters whose prejudices put their views out of sync with unbiased observers (obviously very few other voters did not consider us a contender for #1) hurt the integrity of the poll. I nominate Walzy, a universally accepted scholar of the d3 game, to receive your vote until you can learn to put your personal feelings aside.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Think it's a three-way battle for No. 1: Mass-Dartmouth, Rochester and Wash U (in alpha order).

Thanks for the math help pat. Unfortunately, A) your claim that you had us #2 is totally inconsistent with your earlier assertion that Amherst was not one of the 3 teams you were considering for the top spot (see above), so its clear you're lying B) im betting you had us considerably lower than 4th, and C) whether or not your post telling us to check out amherst's not being #1 was gloating, there is plenty of evidence to prove your bias against amherst

JR2,

That may be the single dumbest post I have ever seen on the NESCAC board (even leaving out practically begging the owner of the site to ban you!).  There is absolutely nothing incompatible between a team not being in the running for #1, yet still being considered #2.  Is everything in your life that 'black and white'?

And if Pat is biased against Amherst, he must be even more biased against about 410 other schools!

[Marty Peretz]

I hear Walzy has a very sharp UAA source which he turns to in order to inform his decision process...

[Pat Coleman]

I wonder what his post read before he edited it.

BTW, we already have one NESCAC voter. I think that's sufficient.

[La Verdad]

Seems a little silly to get all worked up over a meaningless poll.

That may be the single dumbest post I have ever seen on the NESCAC board (even leaving out practically begging the owner of the site to ban you!).  There is absolutely nothing incompatible between a team not being in the running for #1, yet still being considered #2.  Is everything in your life that 'black and white'?

Mr. Ypsi, you are obviously smarter than I am, so please explain how it is possible to consider teams A, B and C for the #1 spot and then turn around and name team D #2.  In my mind, there is certainly some incompatibility there.

Pat, did you really view #1 as a three horse race between UMD, Rochester and Wash U?  If so, what made you choose Amherst as #2 over UMD and Rochester (assuming you voted Wash U #1)?

[Pat Coleman]

Readers of the front page see how the numbers worked out between UMD and Amherst. There wasn't much chance UMD was going to get the top spot from me after the numbers were run, which they weren't at 4:30 on Sunday, with games still in progress.

Knowing Rochester has a game this week against Wash U means that No. 3 is potentially a very temporary holding spot for the Yellowjackets.

I think those who point out the A, B and C post are forgetting that I already backtracked and mentioned D in a separate post. Not sure why everyone is so surprised. Perhaps a Rookie mistake.

[La Verdad]

I should've included Amherst on that list, though. They won't be in my personal deliberation but they will be in the mix.

Is this the post you were referring to? 

[Pat Coleman]

You're so smart.

Not in my deliberation for No. 1 but in the mix on others' ballots and still close to the top spot on mine.

I should've counted on complaints from Amherst fans about me voting them higher than I thought. At least we got the Lawrence fans satisfied, finally.

[JeffRookie2]

And if Pat is biased against Amherst, he must be even more biased against about 410 other schools!

Mr. Ypsi, I wish I had your logical brilliance, as displayed by the above comment.