MBB: NESCAC

fpc85 · February 17, 2008, 07:43:41 PM

Quote from: La Verdad on February 17, 2008, 12:00:45 PM
Quote from: fpc85 on February 17, 2008, 08:11:29 AM
who was that guy in that hideous royal blue warm-up suit. someone should have told him to take the batteries out of it before he wore it.

Yeah seriously. Lucky for me I had my shades on... 8)

yeah really... and some intoxicated students may have thought he was a purple cow

fpc85 · February 17, 2008, 08:01:19 PM

Quote from: lefrakenstein on February 17, 2008, 03:57:17 PM
Quote from: frank uible on February 16, 2008, 12:01:15 PM
Amherst to win the NESCAC tourney in 3 blow-outs! The field is weak, and Amherst will be playing at home throughout - irrespective of the field's seeding, seeds 2-8 will comprise a bunch of deck chairs on that well known ocean liner.

As an Amherst fan, I hope you're right, but I dont share your optimism. Despite going 9-0 in the NESCAC, Amherst has not had the blowouts they usually have. On one hand, I like the ability of this year's team to win close games, but on the other hand, I'm sick of being nervous late in the second half. Hopefully you are right about the eventual outcome though.

Walzy, love the all-crazy team as usual. I haven't been posting that long but I've been around long enough to see them all. I'm sure if JeffRookie were around he would be very honored to have been included.

Has jeffrookie been bounced?

frank uible · February 17, 2008, 08:20:47 PM

lefrak: I'm not being optimistic since I'm not an Amherst rooter, but I am a realist. When it's one loss, and you're out, then Amherst has the talent (and the home court) to respond to the pressure with blow-outs in order to assure more favorable seeding in the NCAA tourney.

lefrakenstein · February 17, 2008, 09:28:41 PM

Quote from: frank uible on February 17, 2008, 08:20:47 PM
lefrak: I'm not being optimistic since I'm not an Amherst rooter, but I am a realist. When it's one loss, and you're out, then Amherst has the talent (and the home court) to respond to the pressure with blow-outs in order to assure more favorable seeding in the NCAA tourney.

Frank, for a realist you are not very in touch with reality. Here are the margins from the last three years in Amherst's tournament games, in the regular season games against the same teams, and the difference:

2007 Game1 Tourny Diff
Williams +21 -1 -22
Colby +11 +7 -4
Bates +15 +4 -11

2006
Tufts +29 +8(OT) -21
Bates +36 +20 -16
CC +29 +26 -3

2005
Bates +19 +8 -11
Trinity +3 +3 0
Bowdoin +9 +6 -3

As you see, not ONCE in three years has Amherst beaten a team by more in the playoffs than they did in the regular season. On average, teams have shaved 10 points of their previous margin of defeat. While Amherst has double digit wins in 7 of the 9 regular season games, they have double digit wins in just 2 of the 9 NESCAC tournament games. So as you see, Amherst is usually in for a tough fight in the tourny and I'm sure this year will be no different.

lefrakenstein · February 17, 2008, 09:31:51 PM

Also, unless I'm mistaken, blowouts have nothing to do with your seeding in the NCAA tournament. I don't think margin of victory is taken into account.

ILive4This · February 17, 2008, 09:36:01 PM

With many interesting games in the NESCAC this weekend shaking things up a bit, I was hoping some of you would participate in the poster's poll, since you have a better idea about these teams and what various wins/losses mean than most.

lefrakenstein · February 17, 2008, 09:58:50 PM

Quote from: ILive4This on February 17, 2008, 09:36:01 PM
With many interesting games in the NESCAC this weekend shaking things up a bit, I was hoping some of you would participate in the poster's poll, since you have a better idea about these teams and what various wins/losses mean than most.

If we don't have PM'ing privledges yet, should we just email you our selections?

ILive4This · February 17, 2008, 11:49:35 PM

yeah please do, the email is listed in my profile

frank uible · February 18, 2008, 03:29:12 AM

lefrak: In recent prior years the 2-8 seeds of the field of the NESCAC tourney have never been so collectively mediocre as this year - seeds 2-3 (by definition the ones most likely to play Amherst close when and if Amherst meets them) are especially mediocre relative to their rankings in the conference. Blowouts tend to be the result of intensity of motivation to win by a team with greatly superior talent. If we patiently wait about 2 weeks, we will know how Amherst has fared in the NESCAC tourney.

NY Hoopster · February 18, 2008, 12:22:02 PM

To Frank Uibile;

Nice Titanic reference-please note Colby intends to be the iceberg, not the deckchair. They thought that ship was unsinkable, didn't they Frank? Did you see Colby play Amherst this year? If you did, you wouldn't be talking blowout.

For those of you out there that doubt that Adam Choice is an All-League player, he sent you a message on Saturday, against Pierce and Tufts.
Pierce grabbed and shoved Choice throughout the first half, and Choice responded with 18 first half points. He went around, over, and through Pierce, and scored 27 total, with 6 rebounds, one block, and one steal. But more importantly, he held Pierce to 12 points. There isn't a big man in the league who can deal Choice's mobility around the hoop.

fpc85 · February 18, 2008, 12:50:27 PM

Quote from: NY Hoopster on February 18, 2008, 12:22:02 PM
To Frank Uibile;

Nice Titanic reference-please note Colby intends to be the iceberg, not the deckchair. They thought that ship was unsinkable, didn't they Frank? Did you see Colby play Amherst this year? If you did, you wouldn't be talking blowout.

For those of you out there that doubt that Adam Choice is an All-League player, he sent you a message on Saturday, against Pierce and Tufts.
Pierce grabbed and shoved Choice throughout the first half, and Choice responded with 18 first half points. He went around, over, and through Pierce, and scored 27 total, with 6 rebounds, one block, and one steal. But more importantly, he held Pierce to 12 points. There isn't a big man in the league who can deal Choice's mobility around the hoop.

I would not consider Pierce a defensive stopper. Choice will not be a 1st teamer....2nd team my be a possibility.

nescac hoops · February 18, 2008, 01:07:34 PM

Quote from: NY Hoopster on February 18, 2008, 12:22:02 PM
For those of you out there that doubt that Adam Choice is an All-League player, he sent you a message on Saturday, against Pierce and Tufts.
Pierce grabbed and shoved Choice throughout the first half, and Choice responded with 18 first half points. He went around, over, and through Pierce, and scored 27 total, with 6 rebounds, one block, and one steal. But more importantly, he held Pierce to 12 points. There isn't a big man in the league who can deal Choice's mobility around the hoop.

Tufts is the WORST defensive team in the conference and the second to worst team in the league.

NY Hoopster · February 18, 2008, 02:43:51 PM

FPC85 and nescac hoops;

Wow. Not impressed at all at Choice expending the defensive energy to hold Pierce to 12 and still score 27 on the offensive end ? And again, you both find some excuse to "discount" the 27 points because Tufts is not a top team this year. How about Trinity, Williams, or Amherst defensively? Are they any good? Choice scored 24 against Williams, 21 against Trinity, and 15 with 11 rebounds against Amherst. And the reason I listed the height of the Amherst team in a prior post is that I think its pretty impressive for a 6'5'' player who lives down low to get a double-double against a team that towers over Colby in height. But, what can I say, you guys seem to have made up your minds at some point early in the season, and I'm not going to change your minds.

nescac hoops · February 18, 2008, 03:16:58 PM

I don't doubt Choice's skill, but there at least 5-7 players in the NESCAC who I would take over him. I wouldn't necessarily take Geoghegan over him, but Geoghegan was 19 and 12 against the Mules and his point came on 4-9 shooting and 11-11 from the line while it took Choice 16 shots to get to 24. I am by no means slighting Choice's performance in this game, but just trying to put things into perspective...there are only 10 spots on the all-nescac team and there are probably 15+ players who are deserving. I expect Choice to be a second teamer but wouldn't be totally surprised if he wasn't recognized either.

fpc85 · February 18, 2008, 03:20:24 PM

Quote from: NY Hoopster on February 18, 2008, 02:43:51 PM
FPC85 and nescac hoops;

Wow. Not impressed at all at Choice expending the defensive energy to hold Pierce to 12 and still score 27 on the offensive end ? And again, you both find some excuse to "discount" the 27 points because Tufts is not a top team this year. How about Trinity, Williams, or Amherst defensively? Are they any good? Choice scored 24 against Williams, 21 against Trinity, and 15 with 11 rebounds against Amherst. And the reason I listed the height of the Amherst team in a prior post is that I think its pretty impressive for a 6'5'' player who lives down low to get a double-double against a team that towers over Colby in height. But, what can I say, you guys seem to have made up your minds at some point early in the season, and I'm not going to change your minds.

nyh, i never said choice wasn't a good player....just that he will not be a 1st teamer...historically they reward upperclassman. esp. if the younger player play on a team with a record like the mules. besides choice feeds of the other players who other teams worry more about.