MBB: NESCAC

[lefrakenstein]

https://www.amherst.edu/athletics/teams/fall/soccer-m/articles/2008/1215_nscaa

The amherst men's soccer team proves that success on the field is not inversely correlated with success in the classroom. The team won the NESCAC, advanced to the final four, and was just recognized for having the highest cumulative GPA in the country.

Not too shabby.

[ne-ball]

unfortunately that is not true of all sports at amherst. there are certainly some knuckleheads that play ball there that would surprise many when they say they go to amherst...# 1 in the country. let's leave it at that.

[frank uible]

Let's have a discussion about what NESCAC college has the most knuckleheads playing athletics.

[ne-ball]

beautifully said frank...perhaps you can lead us into the discourse.

[ac08]

...for clarity's sake. I was asking if there was a sentiment that Amherst got more admissions help than other 'CAC schools. If so, more insight would be appreciated. No righteousness here.

[walzy31]

No, that's not what I'm saying.

My point was that Parker is an avid supporter of athletics at Amherst and as a result, the sports teams have benefitted in the admissions process.  Basketball, in particular, is near and dear to his heart...

This is very true for Amherst. The Amherst assistant hockey coach is also an admissions officer. I doubt that any other NESCAC has a similarly cozy relationship between admissions and athletics. .  .  .

Let us not forget that Dick Nesbit, Williams' Head Dean of Admission, was the former assistant coach of the Lacrosse team. He probably doesn't hate admitting athletes.

Also, Harry Sheehy's wife worked in the admission office during his reign in Williamstown. I think a lot of NESCAC schools have strong ties built between the admissions departments and their athletics programs, however, these ties are not being abused to the point that they are responsible for the successes of winning NESCAC teams.

That Amherst Men's Soccer team sure does sound impressive...

[sumfun]

I think the NESCAC does a better job than most D3 leagues or Ivy's in recruiting true student athletes. 

[ephoops]

No, I understand how it works, the number of tips each school gets is set, and how recruits are registered as A, B ,C bands ie an A band recruit might be 1450+ SAT and 3.7+ GPA, B band is 1200-1450 3.33-3.7. Schools admisson departments decide how many A B C recruits can get in for each program.
I'm saying out of those 66 spots different schools can get in more C band players or more B band players because their overall student population is greater, and thus letting in more C band players won't have as great an effect on the school's statistics that US NEWS and the admissions department care so much about. I'm not saying the difference in the number of C band players is drastic but if there is a player that a school thinks their athletic talents is worth dipping to a C level for it is easier to do so at a school with a bigger population...Anyways, that's what I got

I believe that if you have two C-band students who both have identical academic credentials (say 1200 SATs, 3.5 GPAs, similiar class rank at comparable high schools, etc.), one is a potential high impact basketball player and the other is a very talented violinist, Parker's admitting the hoop player before he admits the violinist.  Nesbitt may ultimately make a similiar decision, but its an easier call for Parker given his affection for the hoops team.

[ac08]

I actually disagree. Music is taken very seriously at Amherst and their orchestra is remarkable. I'd bet they would both be admitted.

[speedy]

I actually disagree. Music is taken very seriously at Amherst and their orchestra is remarkable. I'd bet they would both be admitted.

There are no tips for musicians so the violinists would have a difficult time . . .

[walzy31]

I actually disagree. Music is taken very seriously at Amherst and their orchestra is remarkable. I'd bet they would both be admitted.

There are no tips for musicians so the violinists would have a difficult time . . .

Shoulda spent less time with the strings and more time paying attention in class...or pick up a wicked jump shot.

[nescac1]

Man we desperately need a game so we can stop talking about this stuff.  When does play resume? 

[frank uible]

At Williams an applicant who plays extremely well a musical instrument for which there exists a need in the Berkshire Symphony Orchestra receives a bump at the Admission Office if needed.

[ephoops]

Man we desperately need a game so we can stop talking about this stuff.  When does play resume? 

Agreed.  Idle hands are the devil's workshop...

[ephoops]

At Williams an applicant who plays extremely well a musical instrument for which there exists a need in the Berkshire Symphony Orchestra receives a bump at the Admission Office if needed.

Paulsen's still upset that Nesbitt accepted the tuba player and wouldn't even give Olsen's application a sniff when he wanted to apply early after Crotty graduated...