MBB: NESCAC

[cbone]

How can Weitzen be on the second team over Wheeler? That is a complete joke. Look what they did last saturday.

[formerbant10]

Cbone,

I'm not mad at your support of your school, but saying McLaughlin should run away with the DPOY is absolutely ridiculous.  While he is a very good defensive player, he's nowhere near Drew Cohen.

Egon,

I think that the people on this board may know a thing or two about glue guys on a team.  But glue guys don't score 20 points a night and win you games on the road in the final minute.  I haven't seen Salerno play much, I'm more familiar with Zalaski and I like his style.  Predicting them to make it to Salem is one thing (seeing as though the East and Atlantic teams are not great this year) but the teams from the Midwest are going to be in Salem too.  They might have some influence on whether or not Amherst is cutting down the nets.

QB,

When selecting your team, just remember that their doesn't have to be a player for each position.  Their could be 5 forwards on the 1st team if the coaches think they are the top 5 in the conference.  And yes, you absolutely need Cohen in there.

[JeffRookie2]

First team:
Rhoten
Bedford
Cohen
D. Martin
Ray

Second Team:
Stockwell
Petrie
Rose
Olson
Wheeler

Its hard for me to leave either olson or wheeler off in favor of either clarke or wietzen or stone or anyone else you could make an arguement for. Look at the way wheeler played this weekend in huge games against bates and tufts, and in my opinion Olson is the most important player on the Jeffs team. when he is running the offense and finding people making their cuts to the basket, rather than just letting the team shoot a bunch of threes, the jeffs become much harder to play with.

[formerbant10]

Interesting note,

Their have been 10 different POW for the NESCAC with Rhoten the only 2 timer. 

No Petrie, no Stockwell, and NO BEDFORD!

I feel all three of those guys are going to be all conference, but JeffRookie I can't see why Amherst should warrant 3 all conference players and Trinity only 1. 

Maybe there will be some ties in the voting this year.

[CCsalive]

Glad to see others are backing me up in regard to Wheeler. Of the ten spots I don't have a problem giving three to Amherst and two to Trinity and then finding five more guys...with no one else getting more than one, obviously. This would only hurt Ray/Stockwell...say one of them gets on a team...that leaves four spots...figure Cohen...three spots and you choose b/w Martin(tufts), Petrie, Rose,Stone...you've got to go with Rose...that leaves two spots b/w Stone and Petrie...check the head to head!

This is all based on Amherst getting three and Trinity two...assanine, perhaps, but am I the only one that thinks Amherst could finish in the middle of the Ivy League?

Wheeler would eat Cohen for dinner.

I just checked the Trin/Bates box score and Ray had 21 and 10 assts with 3 steals...maybe Bates gets two and Trinity only Rhoten?

[nescachoopsfan]

heres my first and second teams with reasons for each
first
1. rhoten - no real reason needed, where would trinity be without him
2.bedford - the best player on the best team
3. cohen- the only reason colby wins games, plus someone who is that much of a defensive presence can not be left out
4. D. martin - the main option on the #3 team in the region, a true center that gets high percentage shots and rebounds.
5. Olson - Runs the show for the best team in the nescac.  makes the plays sets people up doesnt turn the ball over and the best pure point guard in the nescac.
second
1. ray- does it all for bates, assists scores and rebounds. runs the team.
2. petrie- without him bowdoin would be worse than average (which is what they are now) he is a very touch assignment and the main focal point for defenses when playing bowdoin
3. stockwell-  they way he rebounds and scores is what makes bates the team that they are. although ray does a lot stockwell does just as much.  a handful on the block and a monster on the boards, if only he could hit some free throws.
4. rose- kid's got range
5. stone-  just because conn is the number 8 seed doesnt mean stone should get snubbed right.....?

on the bubble- wheeler doesnt stand out from the crowd the way the other guys do, although that might be because of the team he is on, although a talented player and if amherst didnt loose to trinity would have probably made it as formerbant10 said.

[formerbant10]

CC,

I was at the Trin/Bates game and Ray is good, but Stockwell is the better player.  Ray had the quietest 21 and 10 I've ever seen, I was completely shocked to see it in the box score.  And to be honest, I thought Pat Martin outplayed him that game. 

Ray came alive in the 2nd half, especially at the end of the game when Bates started pressing Trinity.  But he wasn't there for the first almost 30 minutes of the game, and that is when the game was lost for Bates.

Regardless of that Zak Ray is an all conference player.

[JeffRookie2]

The reason I think Amherst could have three while leaving trinity with only one is that rhoten is far and away the force behind the bantams. While bedford is the best player on Amherst, the margin is not nearly what it is at trinity. bedford is the most consistent of the bedford/wheeler/olson trio, but on any given night its a crap shoot to see who will step up. Plus, having seen the bates/amherst game, its SO hard to justify having ray on the first team and then not giving olson a spot at all. olson dominated ray in that game. As for wheeler, i just think he is a better player than clarke, stone, wietzen, rose, petrie, stockwell and some of the other borderline guys and that this would be more apparant if he didnt play alongside olson and bedford. (of course, the arguement could clearly be made that without olson and bedford on the court alongside him, he wouldnt get the open looks that he is currently afforded.)

[mariner75]

Bant...if I'm reading your post right....fyi, Martin from Tufts was a 2x NESCAC player of the week also......

[ajsnc13]

JeffRookie,

You gotta slow down for a minute and step back from your own team.  When did this become the Wheeler all-star board?  The kid is talented and shoots really well for his size, but he averages 13, 4, and about 1.4 assists.  Its not really fare to compare him statistically to some of the other guys in the league, but if you're going to, he DOES get the third or fourth best defender on him every night.  Next year he'll probably run for conference player of the year with cohen, rose, ray, and stockwell. 

BUT to say he's clearly better than Rose, Stockwell, Petrie and Stone and to call them "boderline" is ridiculous.  They are focal points of offenses and he's Amherst's Joe Johnson, you gotta remember that.  Statistically, as well, they are all his superiors. 

Come on Jeff, try some objectivity for a minute

[Dr E. Spengler]

ajsnc13,
  Your ignorance about Wheeler has actually given me the opportunity to drop some more knowledge on this board.  So let me preface it by saying thank you.  Amherst's Joe Johnson?  Wheeler is the second coming of another former Sun's player...Thunder Dan Majerle.  Who needs NESCAC all-conference accolades when he is playing his best basketball exactly when Amherst is going to need it the most, and has shown absolutely no signs of slowing down. 

Here's to hoping that everyone Amherst faces in the post season is as foolish as the people on this board that sleep on anyone in a Jeff's uniform not named Bedford or Olson.

[walzy31]

Dr,

Haha this most recent post is your best so far.

Forum,

I don't know who will be the last two guys getting all conference recognition. 10 spots for 45 starters (Wesleyan probably won't receive any awards) is tough. I do know that Bedford, Rhoten, Cohen, Rose, D. Martin, and Petrie will get something. Also, Bates has to get one of those 4...only leaving 3 left for all the rest of the NESCAC talent out there.

3 spots left and Bates, Trinity and Amherst want at least one more of their players on it. Amherst, as league champions, will get one more player (Olson) leaving only 2 spots.

It is quite possible that those two are given to Bates, Amherst or Trinitys other stars, but if not they are to Stone & Weitzen...now Stone and Weitzen are good, don't get me wrong, but Weitzen doesn't start and Stone didn't play against the two best teams in the conference and Conn went 3-6. This leads me to believe that of those final 2 spots, they will go to a combination of   Clarke/P.Martin, Wheeler, and the Bobcat Stockwell/Ray who didn't already get a spot.

So here are the 10:

1) Rhoten
2) Bedford
3) Rose
4) Cohen
5) Petrie

6) D. Martin
7) Olson
8 ) Ray/Stockwell
9) Ray/Stockwell or Wheeler or Clarke/P.Martin
10) Ray/Stockwell or Wheeler or Clarke/P.Martin

[fpc85]

Is Rose really a first teamer? His numbers are good, but is he as good as some of the potential 2nd teamers mentioned?

[formerbant10]

Mariner,

good catch on that.  Martin has been POW two times as well.


And to everyone, the coaches do not have a particular formula to how they choose the teams.  Just because Amherst won the league means that they have to get more selections than the others.  2 years ago, Bates got two players on the 2nd team when finishing tied for 5th in the conference.  Wesleyan got two selections as well, and they were tied with Bates for 5th.  Trinity and Bowdoin who both finished ahead of those teams only got one selection.  But guess what, the 10 players selected were the ones who deserved it.

[Sticks11]

CC,

In regards to your previous posts...the reason Cohen was taking 16 foot jumpers is because he CAN make them.  Unfortunately he did not have a very good shooting game against Conn, so maybe that's where you're basing your reasoning, but he is actually a very good shooter and is deadly from that 16 foot range.  Also, as I just stated, he did not have a particularly good game that night but still finished with 19 and 14 - those are pretty solid numbers, especially for an OFF night.  And yes, he was only credited with one block (I counted a few more actually), but you could see that whenever a Conn player drove the lane, they were very aware of his presence.  Another reason could be that Colby was in a zone for the majority of the game and most of Conn's shots were from the outside.  And no, Wheeler would not eat him alive, let's get serious.

And also, take note that PG Nick Farrell is a very good player and very underrated as well and should get some credit with their recent success.