MBB: NESCAC

[amh63]

I stand humbly corrected.  Bo Ryan did win back to back in '98 and '99.  He also at UW-Platteville won the title in '91 and won again  with an undefeated team in '95.
The coach at UW-SP who won back to back in '04 and '05, was Jack Bennett.  The '04 team beat Williams by two.  The 05 team crushed Rochester by 25 in the title game.  Rochester had beat Amherst that year to advance to the final four.
Now that my memory is refreshed.  B. Rein, an Amherst grad, is a top lawyer in DC whose son played for Amherst and a friend.  He is a much better lawyer than a coach.

[BornBalla]

Is there any webcast of the Amherst game against Elms? What do people think of Elm's chances to compete and win?Amherst has a big team and Elms is relatively small(especially their guards...couple 5-4 to 5-7 guys).

I saw the Westfield game on web the other night and Westfield was there for a half. I also looked at the box scores and the other two games were also close at half and then Amherst blitzed their opponents in start of second half. I'd love to see this one though. Hope there is a webcast

[Hugenerd]

I stand humbly corrected.  Bo Ryan did win back to back in '98 and '99.  He also at UW-Platteville won the title in '91 and won again  with an undefeated team in '95.
The coach at UW-SP who won back to back in '04 and '05, was Jack Bennett.  The '04 team beat Williams by two.  The 05 team crushed Rochester by 25 in the title game.  Rochester had beat Amherst that year to advance to the final four.
Now that my memory is refreshed.  B. Rein, an Amherst grad, is a top lawyer in DC whose son played for Amherst and a friend.  He is a much better lawyer than a coach.

At least your posts count is increasing now!

[Pat Coleman]

Good find. You would never see that kind of love for the UAA and NESCAC from certain other supposed DIII hoops authorities *ahem, ahem*

You don't think so? I think whenever we discuss power conferences in the past few years the UAA has been on the list, and the NESCAC has been on the list for even longer.

WIAC, CCIW, OAC, UAA, NESCAC ... and I don't think there's anyone else. That's pretty heady company, and the conference has the Walnuts and Bronzes to match.

No ODAC? with Randolph-Mason, Guilford, Hampton-Sydney and Virgina Wes you would think they would be up there.

What about the NCAC with Wooster and Witt or the MIAA with Calvin and Hope?

The CCIW hasn't won a Walnut and Bronze in over a decade, and before that one all they have is the North Park dynasty that most posters on the NESCAC board were barely alive for. The OAC  has two Walnut and Bronzes, but one was back in the early 90s and John Carroll is the only relevant team they currently have. By that standard the MIAA should be a power conference for sure. Granted, the NESCAC and UAA both only have two titles, but they both have two of the last seven. The CCIW I'm sure was a dominant conference in the late 70s and 80s, and I guess the OAC must have been pretty good in the 90s, but they're not at the level of the NESCAC, WIAC or UAA now. So either don't include those conferences or include at least the ODAC and MIAA for starters.

I know I'll take heat for saying this as usual, but in my humble opinion, I do believe this site overvalues teams from the OAC and CCIW in its rankings, and players from those conferences in its awards. I think the fact that with the exception of Tori Davis, the OAC and CCIW were completely blanked from the DIII News Best of the 2000s and 1990s is further evidence of this fact.

And, indeed welcome back to the NESCAC board PC, sorry I always have to give you a hard time.

We could consider the ODAC but they are on the borderline. The conferences you mention are fairly top-heavy. The bottom teams in the NCAC? Seriously?

[Pat Coleman]

I think the only way you can argue that the CCIW is a comparable conference to the UAA or NESCAC is by arguing that it is much deeper.

Also, you need to realize that the CCIW must always go through the WIAC in order to even get to the Final Four. The NESCAC has no such issue.

You should look at the CCIW out-of-conference record on an annual basis.

[Pat Coleman]

Oh, and in addition to the WIAC of late, unbeatable Wash U.

[Hugenerd]

Tufts gets a win over Keene as Beyel finally wakes up.  He scored 29 points on 12-18 shooting.  Pierce had 22 and 10.

[division3]

how is keene states team?

[O-Boards10]

Can we consider this a NESCAC message board when half the stuff that is posted isnt even about the NESCAC on a night when two NESCAC rivals faces-off? Well for all those NESCAC followers, Bowdoin and Bates faced off in another intense matchup. Bowdoin was up by about 13 with about 6 minutes left and Bates cut it to 2 with about 10 seconds left. Bowdoin ended up winning 71-67. Wilson and Ellis didnt have their best games but the team looked very balanced.

Also Hanley needs to be in the all-league discussion. 14 ppg and 11rpg is not too shabby.

[tuftsalumni]

          Congrats to Tufts on 1st Win - According to the box score Beyel looks like he lit it up, Pierce continued to produce, and Mason gets the start?? Good work Mace.... this could be the first time ever Coach Sheldon (aka Tom Hanks from Groundhog's Day) decides to mix up his starting line-up not just due to injury.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            He is going to need to continue to play Mason and allow him to gain his confidence as the team continues to try and get back to .500. However I was looking at the box score and noticed the kid Long gets nearly a double-double in 14 minutes...... is there any more time for this guy on the floor if he is putting up those types of numbers?

           However all this being said, Shelly will need to find some of the magic that he used up during the 2006 season to guide this current team to a winning record in the NESCAC. I still keep my prediction @ 2 total wins in the conference, but I do hope the guys can prove me wrong.

Go Jumbos

[Old Guy]

Article from the local paper on two Middlebury players (Kelleher, Coghlan) who aren't playing - injuries.

http://www.addisonindependent.com/print/3245

Reports on last night's win over St. Lawrence are uniformly enthusiastic (my obligation was to a son's band concert). Larries have four losses - all to teams who made the NCAA tourney last year (I was told that at breakfast today by someone who should know, but I didn't look it up: last day of classes today, crazy time).

I have often said in the past that I thought Middlebury's non-conference schedule was as good or better than other NESCAC teams, so I think "putrid" is a bit strong. Midd, like other schools (esp. the Maine schools) plays the in-state state schools (Castleton, Lyndon, Johnson, and also Norwich) and heads into NY state to play natural rivals: St. Lawrence, Union, RPI, Skidmore (who not long ago was good), Plattsburgh, always Hamilton (before they were a NESCAC hoop school. Over in NH. Colby-Sawyer is usually pretty good. Opening games (this year Haverford-Swarthmore) are usually against good competition (last year, Richard Stockton, Bloomsburg, Manhattenvile; year before Stevens Institute; 2006, MIT, and so on).

I'm pretty sure this team will justify its ranking and continue to play with the perennial big boys in NESCAC. It's special.

[Bucket]

Am very impressed with Midd's freshman guards.

Jake Wolfin's stat line last night: 8 points, 7 assists, 2 steals, 1 turnover
Nolan Thompson: 34 minutes, 13 points, 0 turnovers

Locke is getting into shape: 14 points, 6 boards, 4 blocks in 22 minutes of play.

Ryan Sherry is a BEAST. 20 points, 12 boards, 2 blocks, 3 steals

And we're still without Timmy Edwards, who will return in January.

[walzy31]

I just spent some time trying to cap tomorrow's Amherst Vs. Springfield tilt being played at Elms and noticed something incredible:

http://www.d3hoops.com/school/SPF/mens/2010
Springfield is playing the following NON-Conference schedule:
RIC
UMD
Keene St
Amherst
Trinity
Williams
Conn College

They are already 1-4 and will probably lose two or three of the NESCAC games they have left. However, if they manage to win the NEWMAC post season title, they will certainly have a lot of quality competition under their belt to hold their own in NCAA play.

I need to see tonight's results between Springfield/Westfield and Amherst/Elms to provide lines. I'm not Brandon Lang...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Springfield always has one of the toughest non-conference schedules around.  I think it really hurt a very good squad last year (at least as far as recognition goes).

Maybe the aura of being the birthplace of basketball helps get them on everyone's schedule?

[Hugenerd]

Amherst down 9 at the half 47-38.  Will they have another dominant second half in them?


No run tonight.  Elms downs Amherst 88-79.