MBB: NESCAC

Hugenerd · September 28, 2010, 11:20:29 PM

East, look at the UAA, conference affiliation has no bearing on region status (UAA has teams in the midwest, south, great lakes, east, and northeast).

Pat Coleman · September 28, 2010, 11:51:05 PM

They could consolidate Hamilton over to New England if they wanted, but why would we want to have fewer East Region teams and more New England teams?

Gregory Sager · September 29, 2010, 12:08:29 AM

True, hugenerd, but not for the reason you state. The UAA was a specially-designated exception, not the rule. Conference affiliation has made a difference in the past in terms of regional status. Look at DePauw, currently (although not for much longer) a member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference. True to its name, all of the long-standing members of the SCAC are in the South Region -- including DePauw, which is located in west-central Indiana, well north of a lot of Midwest Region schools. DePauw is in the South Region because that's where its league is centered, not because of the school's own geographic location. When it moves over to the NCAC it'll probably revert to the Great Lakes Region, just as Indiana neighbor and former DePauw travel partner in the SCAC Rose-Hulman moved from the South Region to the Midwest Region when it left the SCAC for the HCAC.

Colorado College, which joined the SCAC a couple of years ago, was a member of the West Region when it was an independent school, and it has stayed in the West even after joining the SCAC, but CC is such a geographic outlier that it may not be a relevant precedent for Hamilton's purposes.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2010, 11:51:05 PM
They could consolidate Hamilton over to New England if they wanted, but why would we want to have fewer East Region teams and more New England teams?

This is a good point, too. The Northeast Region is overcrowded enough as it is.

gordonmann · September 29, 2010, 01:52:25 PM

Setting aside the disproportionate number of New England teams, wouldn't they want to move Hamilton to the New England region so that they don't have an unfair advantage over the other NESCAC teams in terms of at large bids?

It's conceivable that Hamilton could finish with the third or fourth best record in the NESCAC in terms of the regional rankin criteria but, because they are in a differen region, get into the at-large conversation before one of the teams that finished in front of them. I know that can happen in the UAA because it is geographically difuse but in this case one team would have a special advantage.

Pat Coleman · September 29, 2010, 03:45:09 PM

I agree that could happen but I think in many cases they will be on the board against Northeast NESCAC teams with whom they will have have head-to-head and common opponents a-plenty. So I am not sure it will be as much of an advantage. They would probably not get in ahead of a less-qualified NESCAC team in the other region.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · September 29, 2010, 04:37:24 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2010, 03:45:09 PM
I agree that could happen but I think in many cases they will be on the board against Northeast NESCAC teams with whom they will have have head-to-head and common opponents a-plenty. So I am not sure it will be as much of an advantage. They would probably not get in ahead of a less-qualified NESCAC team in the other region.

I don't think its likely they'd ever take the spot away from the #2 NESCAC team, if they finished below them in conference or lost head to head.

It's a little more conceivable that they might hit the table at NESCAC #4 before a NE Region NESCAC #3, but that's not as big an issue in my book.

walzy31 · September 30, 2010, 09:53:41 PM

Has Tufts admitted any other ED recruits that we don't know about?

nescac hoops · October 01, 2010, 12:21:03 PM

Quote from: walzy31 on September 30, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
Has Tufts admitted any other ED recruits that we don't know about?

I have not heard of anybody else taking their talents to Medford.

Hugenerd · October 01, 2010, 11:48:16 PM

Tufts hasnt admitted anyone early decision yet. Early decisions go out in mid December.

http://admissions.tufts.edu/?pid=117

As a highly competitive university, Tufts does not have rolling admissions.

nescac hoops · October 02, 2010, 01:19:15 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on October 01, 2010, 11:48:16 PM
Tufts hasnt admitted anyone early decision yet. Early decisions go out in mid December.

http://admissions.tufts.edu/?pid=117

As a highly competitive university, Tufts does not have rolling admissions.

CJ Moss apparently thinks otherwise....
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1608/Moss-Headed-NESCAC.php

Hugenerd · October 03, 2010, 08:01:22 PM

Quote from: nescac hoops on October 02, 2010, 01:19:15 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on October 01, 2010, 11:48:16 PM
Tufts hasnt admitted anyone early decision yet. Early decisions go out in mid December.

http://admissions.tufts.edu/?pid=117

As a highly competitive university, Tufts does not have rolling admissions.

CJ Moss apparently thinks otherwise....
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/1608/Moss-Headed-NESCAC.php

Read the board, we have already had this conversation:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4491.msg1223545#msg1223545

That article went up Sept. 3, Tufts did not even have their early decisions application system open at that point. He can "commit" all he wants, but he hasn't been admitted yet. He may very well be admitted when early decisions are made in December, he may even have a 4.0 or earned a perfect score on the SAT, but he has not been admitted to the school yet.

This sort of thing happens all the time at the school I follow, where students "commit" and then don't get admitted (I will not name names for obvious reasons), and I am not saying Moss falls into that category, but just because you say you are going there, doesnt mean you will get in when it comes to competitive admissions.

nescac hoops · October 03, 2010, 08:33:33 PM

I read the board. That's why we were making a joke about early admits to Tufts and why Walzy asked....

Quote from: walzy31 on September 30, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
Has Tufts admitted any other ED recruits that we don't know about?

in reference to CJ Mills with the crux of the joke being the absurdity of how serious he takes himself for a high school senior "committing" to a sub .500 d3 basketball team. I am well aware he is not actually admitted.

Hugenerd · October 03, 2010, 11:16:01 PM

In that case, my bad for the misunderstanding.

grabtherim · October 04, 2010, 09:14:37 AM

Quote from: nescac hoops on October 03, 2010, 08:33:33 PM

I read the board. That's why we were making a joke about early admits to Tufts and why Walzy asked....
Quote from: walzy31 on September 30, 2010, 09:53:41 PM
Has Tufts admitted any other ED recruits that we don't know about?
in reference to CJ Mills with the crux of the joke being the absurdity of how serious he takes himself for a high school senior "committing" to a sub .500 d3 basketball team. I am well aware he is not actually admitted.

I agree 100%. This quotes from this kid are absurd. Sounds like dad must be a PR guy. I'm sure the players on the team were thrilled to hear that he will be a four year starter when he gets there.

walzy31 · October 04, 2010, 04:52:16 PM

Quote from: grabtherim on October 04, 2010, 09:14:37 AM
I agree 100%. This quotes from this kid are absurd. Sounds like dad must be a PR guy. I'm sure the players on the team were thrilled to hear that he will be a four year starter when he gets there.

Funny you should say that his dad must be a PR guy... it's actually his mom who is in PR.

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