MBB: NESCAC

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is the NESCAC POY always the best player on the best team?  I hate when conferences do that, but if that's the way the NESCAC works, that's the way it works.

[JeffRookie2]

Ajsnc13, aside from the fact that Bedford should be second on that list, there are several other ordering mistakes. Ray should be ahead of Stockwell, because Ray is the best player on that team, and makes everyone around him look better. Martin should be ahead of Petrie (significantly better team with only marginally better supporting players). Cohen, by the same logic, should be lower than both of them, although his numbers are absolutely ridiculous.

[Dennis_Prikkel]

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[formerbant10]

ajsnc,

I love the fact you have Cohen #2, about time "Treyball" got some love from the rest of the folks in here.  Bedford #6, I can't agree on that.  I completely understand your point about the team aspect of Amherst taking away from Bedford's potential POY award.  As far as your team goes, you might want one more guy besides Cohen to play some defense if you want to win the game.  That team is pretty much what the Mavericks used to be.  Whole lotta scoring, not a lot of defense.


How many NESCAC players have been named Josten's Trophy Finalists in the last few years?  A handful, usually one a year.  How many have been finalists for two years?  Only Mr. Rhoten.  Add that to the ESPN the Magazine Academic Honors he just received, and he might be speaking down in Salem on awards night.

And Hoops,

The award isn't always given to the best player on the best team.  In 2001 Sam Clark received the award, but Trinity was the #1 seed for the tournament which, consequently, Amherst ended up winning.  But in recent years with all of the high quality players, the tiebreaker has seemed to be team record.  And there is nothing wrong with that.

Also, I don't see many of the posters here in any of the other rooms.  So it doesn't surprise me that they don't know about DieHardFan

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Also, I don't see many of the posters here in any of the other rooms.  So it doesn't surprise me that they don't know about DieHardFan

I know, I just like to let people know that there are other boards.  I was the same way for a long time, before I discovered the "rest of the world."



So, as for my POY question.  Is there really serious doubt that Rhoten will win this award?  In his Senior season, after the career he's had and not to mention Trinity's good second half of the season?

[formerbant10]

I know I have no doubt in my mind.  But its up to the coaches, so you never really know what could happen.  I don't think any other player in the conference is the focus of every game like Rhoten is.  The other guys who are the focus of teams defensive schemes (or who I would worry about) are Dan Martin, Kyle Petrie, Drew Cohen, Rob Stockwell and Andrew Olson. 

I feel like these guys are the keys to offensive success for their teams.  Amherst has so many options to list all of their possible scorers, but Olson is in charge with managing the game and does a great job with it.  I hope the Amherst fans appreciate what they are seeing in him, because he's a great player now, and will be something very special in the next 2 years as well.

[geronimo]

Hoops Fan, I could flip 3,000 burgers but it wouldn't make me a chef.  Domination ain't about quantity, it's about how many War Spife, Bowl Cut and KFC crackbacks I can sneak into a single post while still exterminating all haters.

Bedford Player of the Year. 

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[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Olson's a sophomore?  I thought he was a Junior.  Wow, well that's good to know.

[CCsalive]

A great point was made about POY vs. MVP. Any sports fan that reads or listens to talk radio knows this debate...best example being Andre Dawson's winning the "MVP" for a last place Chicaco Cubs team in 1989...clearly the voters were thinkning more along the lines of "Player of the Year."

I think most would agree that Rhoten is the "Player of the Year."

formerbant- I would add Charles Stone to the list of players other teams scheme...to put it mildly..he is a load. Also, you have to add Rose...does anyone realize that the kid made 95 f-in threes this year at a .425 clip? As a sophomore? That is ridiculous and I'd like to know if there's ever been a more impressive season from behind the arc.
To answer my own question...No. No one realizes that Rose did this because the Williams fans are still drowning in their own tears and haven't been around to remind us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'd say Rhoten is the MVP too.  Amherst is better off without Bedford than Trinity is without Rhoten.

[CCsalive]

I presume everyone knows it is in fact a POY award. If it were an MVP award...Bedford gets more credence. But, I agree...Rhoten is my poy or mvp...Is he the mvp AND the poy? Hmmmmm...I think he might be.   Is anyone following me here?

[geronimo]

Bedford's the Player of the Year.  You can't penalize him because he's on a better team.  That's the argument every year when an Amherst player is up for POY; that somebody like Rhoten is a better candidate because his team needs him more.  It's BS.  Bedford's the best player, and he's on the best team, which is a double whammy that leads to Player of the Year. 

Look at it this way.  You can lead a horse to water, but can you really tell anything by having dinner with his uncle?  Exactly my point.

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[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

G,

I can totally accept your argument if you feel that Bedford is the best player in the league.  I do disagree; I feel that Rhoten has shown time and again that he is the best player in the NESCAC, but I can live with your differing opinion.

What I get mad about is that some leagues mandate that the POY is on the conference championship winning team.  That seems totally unfair.

[geronimo]

I hear you bro.  Winning team should not equal Player of the Year, just as Bedford shouldn't be penalized just because Trinity without Rhoten would be like lollipops without tooth decay. 

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[JeffRookie2]

I love Jim Rome fans, got to be amongst the most intelligent, inciteful fans in the country... along with fans of Stephen A. Smith. Tell me, are these people the sports-world equivalent of people who take Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly seriously?