MBB: NESCAC

formerbant10 · March 21, 2009, 05:16:10 PM

Dman was asking about Walzy's brackets

NESCAC2 · March 21, 2009, 09:11:51 PM

gabriel is a funny screen name. what made you choose that??

Gabriel · March 22, 2009, 05:10:34 PM

Quote from: NESCAC2 on March 21, 2009, 09:11:51 PM
gabriel is a funny screen name. what made you choose that??

nescac2

Would you believe----an angel.

walzy31 · March 22, 2009, 08:42:57 PM

Quote from: dman on March 21, 2009, 11:37:53 AM
did you pick wash u to win it all???

Yeah, I had Wash U over Amherst in the finals (it hurt to pick it so...).
Thank you FormerBant for clarifying dman's intent.

Gabriel,
Funny name. Not as funny as Turd Ferguson, but still funny. And I couldn't agree more with you about how good Ty is.

ephoops · March 22, 2009, 10:18:10 PM

Now that the season is over, I wanted to draw some attention to a very important search process that is currently underway in Williamstown.

As most posters on this board know, Morty Schapiro, the current president of Williams, announced that he will be leaving in June to become the president of Northwestern. The Williams Board of Trustees put together a search committee to identify Morty's replacement.

Morty was probably the strongest proponent among all NESCAC presidents of participation in NCAA post-season tournaments / playoffs. However, there are several current NESCAC presidents who would rather see the conference de-emphasize participation in end-of-season NCAA tournaments. Morty worked hard during his tenure to make sure these "anti- post-season tournament" presidents did not get their way.

The next president of Williams may not share Morty's passion for athletics. If that is the case, we may see a day in the not-too-distant future when NESCAC reverts back to its former policy of not allowing teams to participate in post-season NCAA playoffs. If that day comes, it will be a sad day for Williams, NESCAC and all of D-3 athletics.

NESCAC2 · March 22, 2009, 10:22:14 PM

are u serious?? wtf! that would be awful

Ralph Turner · March 22, 2009, 10:34:08 PM

Quote from: ephoops on March 22, 2009, 10:18:10 PM
Now that the season is over, I wanted to draw some attention to a very important search process that is currently underway in Williamstown.

As most posters on this board know, Morty Schapiro, the current president of Williams, announced that he will be leaving in June to become the president of Northwestern. The Williams Board of Trustees put together a search committee to identify Morty's replacement.

Morty was probably the strongest proponent among all NESCAC presidents of participation in NCAA post-season tournaments / playoffs. However, there are several current NESCAC presidents who would rather see the conference de-emphasize participation in end-of-season NCAA tournaments. Morty worked hard during his tenure to make sure these "anti- post-season tournament" presidents did not get their way.

The next president of Williams may not share Morty's passion for athletics. If that is the case, we may see a day in the not-too-distant future when NESCAC reverts back to its former policy of not allowing teams to participate in post-season NCAA playoffs. If that day comes, it will be a sad day for Williams, NESCAC and all of D-3 athletics.

That story is worth front page for a week.

The Directors Cup would be up for grabs.

NESCAC2 · March 23, 2009, 12:53:01 AM

does anybody know what happened to bucknell? i just looked on their website and they had a record of 7-23. hardly a record i would have thought a dave paulsen-coached team would have. he probably just needs time to get his recruits in and put in the offensive system he ran at williams. i just cant imagine a coach of his stature having to suffer thru a season like that.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 23, 2009, 01:24:26 AM

Quote from: NESCAC2 on March 23, 2009, 12:53:01 AM
does anybody know what happened to bucknell? i just looked on their website and they had a record of 7-23. hardly a record i would have thought a dave paulsen-coached team would have. he probably just needs time to get his recruits in and put in the offensive system he ran at williams. i just cant imagine a coach of his stature having to suffer thru a season like that.

See Herb Sendeck at Arizona State.

I think recruiting will take a little time, especially the time it takes for kids he was trying to sell on Williams to move into college.

NESCAC2 · March 23, 2009, 03:44:29 AM

just like ben howland!!!

NESCAC2 · March 23, 2009, 03:46:19 AM

hell probably turn that around in 2-3 years and move onto a major conference. i can see him being the new-age gary williams.

frank uible · March 23, 2009, 05:55:32 AM

One wise guy believes that there is a 60% likelihood that Shapiro's successor will be less favorable to Williams athletics than Shapiro has been - in other words 3 to 2 against them dumb, academically insouciant, undeserving, socially insensitive, drunken jocks - especially the hyperaggressive, male kind.

La Verdad · March 23, 2009, 03:21:08 PM

Quote from: frank uible on March 23, 2009, 05:55:32 AM
One wise guy believes that there is a 60% likelihood that Shapiro's successor will be less favorable to Williams athletics than Shapiro has been - in other words 3 to 2 against them dumb, academically insouciant, undeserving, socially insensitive, drunken jocks - especially the hyperaggressive, male kind.

So you're saying the Lord Jeff football team has a chance next year?

frank uible · March 23, 2009, 03:34:45 PM

You bet!

amh63 · March 23, 2009, 05:26:24 PM

Interesting discussions on this board, especially the football comments. I believe Amherst has a chance in football whomever is selected as the new president of Williams. Anyway, the points that follows should be of interest to all should generate discussion while the NESCAC admits are announced, since the admitted students to our conference schools have gone out and the next step of "recruiting" begins.
There seems to be some concern among the Williams posters that the new Williams president will not be as supportive as the present president. That there will be an impact to the direction/future of sports in the conference. Somewhere I read, maybe on the ephblog.com, that around the time the present Williams president arrived, there was a study of the place of athletics at Williams undertaken. Or was it about concerns of theme housing on campus that hindered the student's educational experience at Williams, i.e. the "jocks" hung around too much together and didn't mingle with the general student population....likewise the clustering of ethical grounds. Frank U., I need some help here! Where am I going with this. I do not think that the present Williams president is that much of a standout/leader of conference sports.
In the period of 2000 to 2002, there was a study of the place of athletics at Amherst conducted. The Amherst president at the time that asked for the study had arrived from holding the same position at Trinity. Thank goodness he is gone! The study that was released in May of 2002 had many interesting data since it looked at all the conference schools with respect to number of teams, JV teams, number of coaches, trainers, etc. It looked at the the number of team members in all sports at Amherst over a period of ten plus years and the win/loss records. It looked at the admission numbers of athletes in a given sport and their SAT's scores vice the general student body and the grades, etc. Interesting stuff and in my opinion, a waste of time and money. At Amherst, the athletes had scores on average about 10 points or less than the general populace. On grades, there was hardly any difference. The concluding complaints were that the team members of large teams such as football and hockey tend to be underachievers, whatever that means, and that they tend to hang around together too much since they spend too much time together. So do the music students, theater groups. I am not going there.
What I learned was that during that time or earlier the conference presidents decided to restrict the size of the football team to 75 players. Schools like Trinity, Williams and Amherst had squads of 80 plus while many of the conference schools had much less and their records reflected it. Much more interesting was the fact that the "little three" presidents took the next step to make the conference more even in football. They reduced the number of football "slots/admits" from 20 to 14. At Amherst, 20 slots represented around 9 percent of the class which was the same as the number of football players/class at the time. These points lead me to believe that the direction of sports in the conference will not be much different in the near future and hopefully in the long run.