MBB: NESCAC

[jayhawk]

In terms of Amherst players who would have benefited from the 3 pt line, time clock and playing as a freshman there is no doubt in my mind that would be Jimmy Rehnquist. Jim was a super D-3 talent who could knock down the long ball or score on the inside. He still holds some Amherst records.

[middhoops]

Never saw Rehnquist play, but everyone I've spoken to says he was anything but a D3 player. 

[amh63]

Middhoops....Interesting way to put it   Jim was in the Class of '77.  Met him and his two sons at a game in Middletown, Ct....in the recently opened new BB....at the time.  At least one of his two sisters also attended Amherst.  Maybe Vandy74 has some memories.  Never saw him play.....did not know if he had an outside game....maybe Coach Hixon would know.  Know that he scored 50 points in a game....record book.  Daughter played at Williams and do not know where his oldest son attended college or even played basketball.

[ECSUalum]

Magicman,
   Thanks, also. Scranton is missing some stats over the years including the rebounds for 1 season for arguably our finest player ever(the year I was on the frosh team and saw him perform every day-but no connection ). I enjoy the web site already and have passed it on to our SID for his future research.

ronk, Vandy, amh63, grabtherim, and Charles,
Glad to help out. I came across this web site several years ago when I was trying to find information on a certain player.  He 's a good friend of mine who graduated from Union back in 1981. At the time he finished his 4 years of roundball he was Union's all time leading scorer with well over 1700 points. At some point in the 1990's he went back to the college on the night some young fellow was going to break his record. We talked about how many points Joe might have scored if they had the 3 point shot back then. He was the point guard but also the best shooter on the team. A large number of his shots were from 3 point range and of course didn't get the benefit of those extra points. I was able to look up his statistics, find out how many field goals he had in his 4 years, and factor in a percentage, that he felt was a reasonable number, to get a rough idea of how many 3 pointers he would have had in his college career there. We'll never know for sure but I felt confident that he would have broken the 2000 point mark, if the same rules we have today were in place then.  And that doesn't take into consideration that if he knew those long distance bombs were going to be worth 3 points he probably would have taken more shots than he was credited with.      

Magic,
Searched on the website for about 2hrs looking at all kinds of ECSU historical info.
Thanks again

[Bucket]

Middhoops....Interesting way to put it   Jim was in the Class of '77.  Met him and his two sons at a game in Middletown, Ct....in the recently opened new BB....at the time.  At least one of his two sisters also attended Amherst.  Maybe Vandy74 has some memories.  Never saw him play.....did not know if he had an outside game....maybe Coach Hixon would know.  Know that he scored 50 points in a game....record book.  Daughter played at Williams and do not know where his oldest son attended college or even played basketball.

One son attended Boston College and played as a non-scholarship walk-on, I believe.

Jim's brother-in-law is a top administrator at Midd.

[amh63]

Bucket.....thanks for the info.  Somewhere, I remember reading that a family member lived in VT.  A sister lives in northern VA., near the old family homestead, friend to a mother of a recently graduated Amherst player.  Same neighborhood as another Supreme Court judge....who also had a daughter at Amherst....small world...small plug

[magicman]

Magicman,
   Thanks, also. Scranton is missing some stats over the years including the rebounds for 1 season for arguably our finest player ever(the year I was on the frosh team and saw him perform every day-but no connection ). I enjoy the web site already and have passed it on to our SID for his future research.

ronk, Vandy, amh63, grabtherim, and Charles,
Glad to help out. I came across this web site several years ago when I was trying to find information on a certain player.  He 's a good friend of mine who graduated from Union back in 1981. At the time he finished his 4 years of roundball he was Union's all time leading scorer with well over 1700 points. At some point in the 1990's he went back to the college on the night some young fellow was going to break his record. We talked about how many points Joe might have scored if they had the 3 point shot back then. He was the point guard but also the best shooter on the team. A large number of his shots were from 3 point range and of course didn't get the benefit of those extra points. I was able to look up his statistics, find out how many field goals he had in his 4 years, and factor in a percentage, that he felt was a reasonable number, to get a rough idea of how many 3 pointers he would have had in his college career there. We'll never know for sure but I felt confident that he would have broken the 2000 point mark, if the same rules we have today were in place then.  And that doesn't take into consideration that if he knew those long distance bombs were going to be worth 3 points he probably would have taken more shots than he was credited with.      

Magic,
Searched on the website for about 2hrs looking at all kinds of ECSU historical info.
Thanks again

ECSUalum,
You are certainly welcome. It appears the link I posted has led to a whole bunch of happy posters and D3 junkies. From Pennslyvania, throughout New England and down to the mid-Atlantic where amh63 resides . Even Old Guy over on the Dark Continent has chimed in.

Hey Middhoops am I older than Old Guy? I'm not as old as amh63 if he left Amherst in 63.

amh63, my freshman year was the only year I played tennis as well. Tore up my left shoulder pretty good playing basketball my sopomore year and couldn't play tennis that year. When my shoulder healed I could never serve as well as I could before the injury and my serve was the best part of my game.   Also I didn't forget about your New Paltz question on the other board and will get to it later tonight.

[toad22]

I'm told by people at Williams who have seen Amherst players from the mid 60s to the present that Jim Rehnquist is probably the best LJ of all time.

[Vandy74]

Middhoops....Interesting way to put it   Jim was in the Class of '77.  Met him and his two sons at a game in Middletown, Ct....in the recently opened new BB....at the time.  At least one of his two sisters also attended Amherst.  Maybe Vandy74 has some memories.  Never saw him play.....did not know if he had an outside game....maybe Coach Hixon would know.  Know that he scored 50 points in a game....record book.  Daughter played at Williams and do not know where his oldest son attended college or even played basketball.

One son attended Boston College and played as a non-scholarship walk-on, I believe.

Jim's brother-in-law is a top administrator at Midd.

Amh63.....I never saw Rehnquist play that I'm aware of.  If Amherst played at Midd in '76 that would have been my only opportunity. (Magicman, I'll have to check your cite.)  But my late brother Brian '78 talked about him quite a bit.  Bri, like my brother Pete and Dave Hixon was a DU.  I assume Rehnquist was as well although I'm not certain of that.  It was the jock house on campus at the time.  Brian's daughter Hayley, btw, has been accepted ED to attend Amherst in the fall.  Her mom is Mount Holyoke.  She's very excited.

Another brother lives about a quarter of a mile down the road from Jim's brother-in-law in nearby Weybridge.

[Vandy74]

Wait 'til Vandy74 wakes up.  He's an encyclopedia of Pistol Pete and updated stats.  As a freshman at Vanderbilt he got to see Maravich light 'em up.

Hmmm....It seems I missed my wake-up call but yes I did see The Pistol in action.  He only put in 38 that night.  It was Dale Brown, who succeeded Pete's dad Press as the LSU HC, who did the research on his shots to determine that with the 3-pointer Pete would have averaged an additional 13  points per game.  That is remarkable in a number of ways.  In his senior year Maravich averaged 17 buckets a game.  That means he practically lived outside what would become the 3-point arc.  Also, the college record for 3-pointers in a single game is 15.  Maravich would have averaged only 2 fewer than what is now the all-time single game best. 

There is one more thing to consider.  He was an 80% FT shooter who averaged 11 ppg his senior year.  Since a foul on a missed shot outside the arc results in a 3 FT penalty it is safe to assume that would also have added a few more ppg to his scoring average.  13 added to his average of 44 is 57.  Would 80% of the additional FT he would have taken each game put his average over 60?

A remarkable basketball player.

[Vandy74]

Like Magicman said some of the data supplied on the site he provided is rather sketchy.  Sadly enough this is true of the Middlebury info regarding the seasons from 1959-65.  '65 was Old Guy's sophomore year. This is must have data.  Hopefully the MC powers that be will get on this posthaste.

[middhoops]

Note to Middlebury fans:  PN and crew posted a truly inspiring next video in their series. 
http://vimeo.com/84327413

[Old Guy]

Sadly enough this is true of the Middlebury info regarding the seasons from 1959-65.  '65 was Old Guy's sophomore year. This is must have data.  Hopefully the MC powers that be will get on this posthaste. Vandy74

Note to Vandy's "Middlebury powers that be": please don't! That data goes best unreported.

[P'bearfan]

Looking forward to the Bowdoin - Williams game tonight.  Was hoping to write more about keys to the game but I'm swamped at work so I'll just hit a couple key ones:

-Swords needs to have a big game - a double; double
-Bowdoin needs to shoot well from behind the arc (>40%)
-Bowdoin needs to limit turnovers; Williams has been effective in jumping the passing lanes and scoring off turn overs
-Bowdoin needs to slow down Duncan Robinson (they won't stop him; just keep him from going on a ridiculous tear)

Good luck P'bears!

[4 the love of the game]

weekly league update

league poll rankings 1 amherst 2 williams 3 bowdoin 4/5 middlebury/bates 5 tufts 7 trinity 8 colby 9 hamilton 10 conn 11 wesleyan

if bowdoin can beat williams this weekend they can move up to 2. hamilton/colby game will help decide the 8 spot. if amherst can handle tufts and bates it is clear they are the top team. if trinity can beat tufts they will take over in the 5 spot. middebury should have no problem with conn and wesleyan and with a bates loss to amherst they will stand alone at 4. with a bates win over amherst and a bowdoin loss to williams, bates can move to 3.

match ups to watch mayer vs swords- swords has emerged gigantically this season and with mayer struggling this will show who is the leagues top center early in league play. toomy vs safford- two high scoring guards. this will be a chance for safford to prove he belongs among leagues best guards. vadas vs middleburys backcourt- for conn to have a chance, vadas needs to have a big night.