MBB: NESCAC

[amh63]

Lots of chatter wrt the what/how the latest "flu" virus is impacting schools and school sports. 
Today's WSJ has big discussion on the matter, including the Ivy League/Yale responses.  Seems that Amherst's prez is quoted.  Amherst is even refunding room/board, etc.   The Upcoming Winter Olympics maybe put off. 
The schools "closing" around the country are increasing.  Even an article that online schooling impacts the poor, etc.

[grabtherim]

Please.  Perspective is part of it. Parents of college students all over the country are justifiably worried.  Kids from abroad programs have been coming home in droves.  College students coming back from Spring Break and/or heading to games will be a scare to their parents given the multiple messages coming out on almost an hourly basis.  The minute you would hear similar about your kid, you and other helicopter parents of today would be breaking records to get your kid out of school.  Perspective doesnt matter?  Baloney, it doesnt until it is yours.  Then it does.  How lamely disengenuous.  The games mean crap compared to the bigger picture, and if it was your kid in the school you wouid get it, since it isnt it's easy to be haughty and above it all and say you are above motive and perspective.  What a crock.

That wasn't necessary. Have you ever met Ryan? If you had, you would know better than to write that nonsense.

Thanks, 85. Totally agreed that grabtherim overreached.

Speaking as the father of a college student.

Schools, conferences, countries, cities etc are closing down left and right based on medical evidence of what is best for public safety. I question what I see as the absurd priority caring about a game or games over this and I'm over reacting.  Are all the others I cited doing much the same?  I would be interested in your opinion.  The government of Italy?  The heads of Harvard, Midd, Amherst, Ohio State, Duke, UCLA, Smith, Tufts, etc etc etc and hundreds of other schools around the country?  The Governor of New York calling in the National Guard to isolate a large area of the huge New York suburb of New Rochelle?  Please enlighten me on how all of these are "over reacting" on a case by case basis citing your credentials versus caring in a "under reacting" way  that a basketball game is played. I get it this stuff is your life more than ours, but people's lives at the most or public safety at the least are more important than basketball or other games being played. And yes perspective matters big time, because if any of you who are saying I am over reacting were in the midst of anything to do with this, you would be singing a different tune. As the father of a college student, how would you feel if a fellow student from the affected area of New Rochelle was sitting next to your kid at a game unaware that he or she may have been exposed and is in the incubation period.  No big deal right?  Overreacting to be concerned? I guess not. Play on. 

You don't get it. Your overreaction is based on the tone in which you replied to Ryan, and now, Pat.  Your choice of words such as What a Crock. Baloney, crap.  An inability to at least consider that viewpoints other than yours are not necessarily incorrect. Pat's comment about over-reacting did not mention at all anything about playing or not playing. And your response to which I am quoting is another example of overreaction. In this case, you are overreacting to Pat's comment. You make good points in your point of view, but they are lost in the tone and manner in which you wish to be defensive and attack others. Take some adjectives out, take a deep breath and post something a little less emotionally sensitive. Nobody is meaning to hurt your feelings. Folks are just stating points of view, showing some confusion and frustration,  and some facts as they know it. In essence, your posts imply "I am right, you are wrong. So everyone see things my way and shutup".

Tone and manner?  OK, I'll be soft spoken and say that public safety is of paramount concern and the playing of a basketball or any other game matter and mean nothing in the scheme of things when measured against it.  That's my thesis if you will.  If my arguments are a bit rough and language a bit frosty for you. Mea culpa.  Argue with facts and opinion why you disagree.  This is from an athlete who would have killed to be on the  field despite stuff like this going on, who raised an athlete who would have felt the same way.  I'm sorry but it's hard to be warm and fuzzy about this.  People's health is at stake.  With that it's up to folks who have to look out for the greater good to make tough decisions to overcome that desire of fans and athletes  to both play and watch these games.  Pat and Ryan have proven over time to be quite capable in dealing with debate even if heated as they are in stating their viewpoint.  You presume I  would not at "least consider that viewpoints other than yours are not necessarily incorrect... or would not consider someone elses point of view."  Well I hope I am stating in a soft enough manner that: I have read every word written, and in fact it is YOU who are presuming that I have not.  I have considered other viewpoints and it is YOU who are presuming that I have not.  I consider much of what I have read to be misguided and wrong.  Is that OK to say, or is that against your rules on civility in tone and manner?     

[amh63]

Amherst has just released a statement via the sports dept. wrt Spring Sports.  The latest news is "flying" around at Amherst.  Seems that Spring Sports is NOT shut down period...at this time!

[Pat Coleman]

Were Amherst or Middlebury to want to restart their spring schedule, they would have to hope that opponents will hold their dates open, rather than find alternate opponents. That doesn't seem likely.

[Bucket]

Amherst has just released a statement via the sports dept. wrt Spring Sports.  The latest news is "flying" around at Amherst.  Seems that Spring Sports is NOT shut down period...at this time!

Yes, but all of the NESCAC presidents have unanimously agreed to cancel conference competition for the spring season.

https://www.nescac.com/news/2019-20/COVID19-Athletics

[Conts Fan]

Williams also going all remote https://www.iberkshires.com/story/61822/Williams-College-Closing-Campus-Switching-to-Remote-Learning.html

[nescac1]

While I think, ultimately, this is the right call, it doesn't make it any less of a bummer for all NESCAC students (whether athletes or not), especially seniors.  I do hope the remaining winter sports athletes will be able to continue to compete for national championships -- there are a ton of them still competing.  But it sounds very dicey at this point ...

I also hope the NCAA will offer an automatic waiver to ALL spring athletes (even those who have played some contests) across divisions who wish to pursue a fifth year of eligibility.  Perhaps some NESCAC seniors will choose to forego distance learning and return next Spring.  Or some select athletes could even play a year of Division 1 in graduate school ...

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

While I think, ultimately, this is the right call, it doesn't make it any less of a bummer for all NESCAC students (whether athletes or not), especially seniors.  I do hope the remaining winter sports athletes will be able to continue to compete for national championships -- there are a ton of them still competing.  But it sounds very dicey at this point ...

I also hope the NCAA will offer an automatic waiver to ALL spring athletes (even those who have played some contests) across divisions who wish to pursue a fifth year of eligibility.  Perhaps some NESCAC seniors will choose to forego distance learning and return next Spring.  Or some select athletes could even play a year of Division 1 in graduate school ...

You get four years of playing in five years of school, so unless they've already skipped a season somewhere, they're all eligible next year.  I wonder how many seniors might take the opportunity to grad transfer to wherever they go next?

[Bucket]

I also hope the NCAA will offer an automatic waiver to ALL spring athletes (even those who have played some contests) across divisions who wish to pursue a fifth year of eligibility.

It's my understanding that this is already under discussion . . .

[Pat Coleman]

While I think, ultimately, this is the right call, it doesn't make it any less of a bummer for all NESCAC students (whether athletes or not), especially seniors.  I do hope the remaining winter sports athletes will be able to continue to compete for national championships -- there are a ton of them still competing.  But it sounds very dicey at this point ...

I also hope the NCAA will offer an automatic waiver to ALL spring athletes (even those who have played some contests) across divisions who wish to pursue a fifth year of eligibility.  Perhaps some NESCAC seniors will choose to forego distance learning and return next Spring.  Or some select athletes could even play a year of Division 1 in graduate school ...

You get four years of playing in five years of school, so unless they've already skipped a season somewhere, they're all eligible next year.  I wonder how many seniors might take the opportunity to grad transfer to wherever they go next?

Unless a waiver is made, anyone who has already played this year has used this year of eligibility.

I'm sure a waiver will be forthcoming.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

While I think, ultimately, this is the right call, it doesn't make it any less of a bummer for all NESCAC students (whether athletes or not), especially seniors.  I do hope the remaining winter sports athletes will be able to continue to compete for national championships -- there are a ton of them still competing.  But it sounds very dicey at this point ...

I also hope the NCAA will offer an automatic waiver to ALL spring athletes (even those who have played some contests) across divisions who wish to pursue a fifth year of eligibility.  Perhaps some NESCAC seniors will choose to forego distance learning and return next Spring.  Or some select athletes could even play a year of Division 1 in graduate school ...

You get four years of playing in five years of school, so unless they've already skipped a season somewhere, they're all eligible next year.  I wonder how many seniors might take the opportunity to grad transfer to wherever they go next?

Unless a waiver is made, anyone who has already played this year has used this year of eligibility.

I'm sure a waiver will be forthcoming.

Right.  Some of the games have already started.  I forgot about that.

[grabtherim]

NBA Warriors playing at home tomorrow with no fans in the building.  Tip of the iceberg. i was supposed to be in Las Vegas next week for an annual 1st weekend of the NCAA Tournament college reunion.  Anywhere from 8-10 of us go every year.  It's off.  Before I cancelled the well known hotel I was booked at sent me an email dropping my rate to less than 1/2 of what I had booked for.  Normally a week you cannot find a room in any good hotel in town.   

[CNU85]

Please.  Perspective is part of it. Parents of college students all over the country are justifiably worried.  Kids from abroad programs have been coming home in droves.  College students coming back from Spring Break and/or heading to games will be a scare to their parents given the multiple messages coming out on almost an hourly basis.  The minute you would hear similar about your kid, you and other helicopter parents of today would be breaking records to get your kid out of school.  Perspective doesnt matter?  Baloney, it doesnt until it is yours.  Then it does.  How lamely disengenuous.  The games mean crap compared to the bigger picture, and if it was your kid in the school you wouid get it, since it isnt it's easy to be haughty and above it all and say you are above motive and perspective.  What a crock.

That wasn't necessary. Have you ever met Ryan? If you had, you would know better than to write that nonsense.

Thanks, 85. Totally agreed that grabtherim overreached.

Speaking as the father of a college student.

Schools, conferences, countries, cities etc are closing down left and right based on medical evidence of what is best for public safety. I question what I see as the absurd priority caring about a game or games over this and I'm over reacting.  Are all the others I cited doing much the same?  I would be interested in your opinion.  The government of Italy?  The heads of Harvard, Midd, Amherst, Ohio State, Duke, UCLA, Smith, Tufts, etc etc etc and hundreds of other schools around the country?  The Governor of New York calling in the National Guard to isolate a large area of the huge New York suburb of New Rochelle?  Please enlighten me on how all of these are "over reacting" on a case by case basis citing your credentials versus caring in a "under reacting" way  that a basketball game is played. I get it this stuff is your life more than ours, but people's lives at the most or public safety at the least are more important than basketball or other games being played. And yes perspective matters big time, because if any of you who are saying I am over reacting were in the midst of anything to do with this, you would be singing a different tune. As the father of a college student, how would you feel if a fellow student from the affected area of New Rochelle was sitting next to your kid at a game unaware that he or she may have been exposed and is in the incubation period.  No big deal right?  Overreacting to be concerned? I guess not. Play on. 

You don't get it. Your overreaction is based on the tone in which you replied to Ryan, and now, Pat.  Your choice of words such as What a Crock. Baloney, crap.  An inability to at least consider that viewpoints other than yours are not necessarily incorrect. Pat's comment about over-reacting did not mention at all anything about playing or not playing. And your response to which I am quoting is another example of overreaction. In this case, you are overreacting to Pat's comment. You make good points in your point of view, but they are lost in the tone and manner in which you wish to be defensive and attack others. Take some adjectives out, take a deep breath and post something a little less emotionally sensitive. Nobody is meaning to hurt your feelings. Folks are just stating points of view, showing some confusion and frustration,  and some facts as they know it. In essence, your posts imply "I am right, you are wrong. So everyone see things my way and shutup".

Tone and manner?  OK, I'll be soft spoken and say that public safety is of paramount concern and the playing of a basketball or any other game matter and mean nothing in the scheme of things when measured against it.  That's my thesis if you will.  If my arguments are a bit rough and language a bit frosty for you. Mea culpa.  Argue with facts and opinion why you disagree.  This is from an athlete who would have killed to be on the  field despite stuff like this going on, who raised an athlete who would have felt the same way.  I'm sorry but it's hard to be warm and fuzzy about this.  People's health is at stake.  With that it's up to folks who have to look out for the greater good to make tough decisions to overcome that desire of fans and athletes  to both play and watch these games.  Pat and Ryan have proven over time to be quite capable in dealing with debate even if heated as they are in stating their viewpoint.  You presume I  would not at "least consider that viewpoints other than yours are not necessarily incorrect... or would not consider someone elses point of view."  Well I hope I am stating in a soft enough manner that: I have read every word written, and in fact it is YOU who are presuming that I have not.  I have considered other viewpoints and it is YOU who are presuming that I have not.  I consider much of what I have read to be misguided and wrong.  Is that OK to say, or is that against your rules on civility in tone and manner?     

Much better. I actually read all of it this time. That wasn't so bad was it? I just tune people out when they start blasting other people unnecessarily. That was my point. You can provide your point of view without unnecessary comments. In fact, it's a better way to get your point across. I totally understand what you're saying and agree with a lot of what you say. It's just when you spew in that manner you lose your audience. So, thanks! I appreciate your views and your post.

[NEhoops]

It's hard to comprehend why they're cancelling the spring sports, but not the current winter sports - extreme action needs to be taken or it doesn't, which is it? 

You've got five years to play four, but the fifth year isn't free. It is very rare for student-athletes not on an athletic scholarship to go that route. 

[SpringSt7]

You're also at a point, especially in the NESCAC, where the vast majority of the seniors either already have jobs or are pretty close to lining up jobs. Would require a lot of hoops to jump through to make that work for them individually, which is too bad. I would imagine a good number of NESCAC lacrosse players in particular would be good pickups for D1s.