MBB: NESCAC

[nescac1]

Interesting to hear from Jamal Wilson, who to me is one of the least-talked-about truly great Nescac players.  He was co-POY with Nogelo one year, which is saying something.  He could really ball, and was the best player I saw at Amherst pre-Andrew-Olson (my top three would be those two and Toomey).  Also interesting that he is so blunt in his assessment. 

[Pat Coleman]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/06/amherst-names-new-mens-coach

New HC for Amherst.  Anyone know anything about Coach Sears?

For ephoops' research on the Sears hire - https://www.amherststudent.com/article/amherst-names-four-new-head-coaches-as-college-prepares-for-canceled-fall-sports-season

Curious to get d-mac's sheepish take on the fact that returning volleyball and squash players were part of the hiring process, but seemingly not the hoops players.

Is this because of some other facts discussed and supported elsewhere, or is this a conclusion you've drawn from the fact that the article did not specify that players were consulted?

[jmcozenlaw]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/06/amherst-names-new-mens-coach

New HC for Amherst.  Anyone know anything about Coach Sears?

For ephoops' research on the Sears hire - https://www.amherststudent.com/article/amherst-names-four-new-head-coaches-as-college-prepares-for-canceled-fall-sports-season

Curious to get d-mac's sheepish take on the fact that returning volleyball and squash players were part of the hiring process, but seemingly not the hoops players.

By the way, there are no sheep in Maryland. there are plenty or horses and horse farms (I played pick up basketball games in Cal Ripken's inside basketball court many years ago)...........but sorry, no sheep. Nadda. Nix. Nyet!!!

[ThumannsOwn]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/06/amherst-names-new-mens-coach

New HC for Amherst.  Anyone know anything about Coach Sears?

For ephoops' research on the Sears hire - https://www.amherststudent.com/article/amherst-names-four-new-head-coaches-as-college-prepares-for-canceled-fall-sports-season

Curious to get d-mac's sheepish take on the fact that returning volleyball and squash players were part of the hiring process, but seemingly not the hoops players.

Is this because of some other facts discussed and supported elsewhere, or is this a conclusion you've drawn from the fact that the article did not specify that players were consulted?

Some other facts discussed and supported elsewhere.

[ThumannsOwn]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/06/amherst-names-new-mens-coach

New HC for Amherst.  Anyone know anything about Coach Sears?

For ephoops' research on the Sears hire - https://www.amherststudent.com/article/amherst-names-four-new-head-coaches-as-college-prepares-for-canceled-fall-sports-season

Curious to get d-mac's sheepish take on the fact that returning volleyball and squash players were part of the hiring process, but seemingly not the hoops players.

By the way, there are no sheep in Maryland. there are plenty or horses and horse farms (I played pick up basketball games in Cal Ripken's inside basketball court many years ago)...........but sorry, no sheep. Nadda. Nix. Nyet!!!

I actually know someone that shops for yarn at Kiparoo Farm in Middletown MD.

[quicksilver]

. . .

This period of time is very different. There is a better understanding of the virus, protocols in place, and many other things in the "known" category of things that in March were completely unknown. There is also more time to make decisions instead of concern about the very next day as many had in March. There is also an understanding of how shutting things down in March for the rest of the spring impacted institutions, conferences, etc. that many are going to try and mitigate or keep from happening this fall ... so they will make every effort possible to help make things happen this time around. Also, some sports have already started to restart, so there are models and examples out there for institutions to look at including from Europe as they try and make decisions. March, there was nothing to model after.

I am certainly not saying nothing else will shutdown, but I am not of the mentality that suddenly things come to a crashing end because the Ivy League, which has a ton of money in reserves and less influence than others, decides enough is enough. If the SEC or BIG10 had made this decision, I might be of a different mindset. I am not sure we hit critical mass - AT THIS TIME - for things to follow what happened in March. Now, if next week or the following we realize that something has changed with the virus or with infections, especially deaths (though, long-term impact of this virus is the scariest unknown), then things might change including my thinking on the matter. But right now, while some institutions won't have sports or classes or the like, I am not sure we hit a majority or at least a number that forces the NCAA (member schools specifically) to shut everything down.

Heck, I already know of conferences making decisions that are not unanimous by any stretch of the imagination ... the NESCAC being one of them. I do not think this conference's presidents are in agreement this time around.

It turns out that the presidents are in agreement has they have unanimously voted to shut down all fall NESCAC intercollegiate sports. I wish it were not the case but this decision was predictable once we heard from Bowdoin and then Williams. They may have jumped the gun but likely knew that this was where things would end up in the NESCAC.

[jmcozenlaw]

https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/06/amherst-names-new-mens-coach

New HC for Amherst.  Anyone know anything about Coach Sears?

For ephoops' research on the Sears hire - https://www.amherststudent.com/article/amherst-names-four-new-head-coaches-as-college-prepares-for-canceled-fall-sports-season

Curious to get d-mac's sheepish take on the fact that returning volleyball and squash players were part of the hiring process, but seemingly not the hoops players.

By the way, there are no sheep in Maryland. there are plenty or horses and horse farms (I played pick up basketball games in Cal Ripken's inside basketball court many years ago)...........but sorry, no sheep. Nadda. Nix. Nyet!!!

I actually know someone that shops for yarn at Kiparoo Farm in Middletown MD.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

They shut down conference sports. I don't think there's anything to prevent a school from playing non con games if,  for some reason, they might choose to do so.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I have no opinion on whether the players on the team were consulted or not. I have seen hirings done many different ways and on the same campus. I have no idea what is the right or wrong way. Whether to involve student athletes or not. I've seen that be very rewarding and I've seen that be detrimental.

I also have no idea why you would want my opinion on it. Nor do I understand why "sheepish" was the adjective.

[jmcozenlaw]

I have no opinion on whether the players on the team were consulted or not. I have seen hirings done many different ways and on the same campus. I have no idea what is the right or wrong way. Whether to involve student athletes or not. I've seen that be very rewarding and I've seen that be detrimental.

I also have no idea why you would want my opinion on it. Nor do I understand why "sheepish" was the adjective.

'Sheepish' was the name of a troll back in the 12th century. He has reappeared on the boards here, on the NESCAC board of all places. His given name is Thaddeus, but the boys at the private golf club call him Tad. He wears his shirt collars up in the summer and owns shorts with little lobsters on them. Those kids got beat up years ago.

[ThumannsOwn]

I have no opinion on whether the players on the team were consulted or not. I have seen hirings done many different ways and on the same campus. I have no idea what is the right or wrong way. Whether to involve student athletes or not. I've seen that be very rewarding and I've seen that be detrimental.

I also have no idea why you would want my opinion on it. Nor do I understand why "sheepish" was the adjective.

I was really trying to see if your source/other information (same one that left no doubt in your mind that the Amherst AD made the hoops coaching decision with no marching orders) offered any insight on this topic. The sheepish adjective came from you when you told me some time ago to "trust me when I post things, even in a sheepish kind of way." Of course, I realize with your inside sources you need to be careful with what you say and/or how you say it. Again, no need for me to learn to trust you and your posts, as I already did coming in. Call this trolling for information if you will.

[JEFFFAN]

I will see what I can find out - if anything! - about whether Amherst had current players involved in the basketball interview process.   As discussed previously, Amherst lacrosse players requested and were granted the right to interview the four finalists for the head coach position.   Suffice to say ... their opinions were summarily and entirely dismissed.  IMHO ... I do not believe that current players should have any part of a coaching interview process in any sport.  Not enough perspective.   But at Amherst the then-students were the reason that the mascot was changed so maybe they look at things differently.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I have no opinion on whether the players on the team were consulted or not. I have seen hirings done many different ways and on the same campus. I have no idea what is the right or wrong way. Whether to involve student athletes or not. I've seen that be very rewarding and I've seen that be detrimental.

I also have no idea why you would want my opinion on it. Nor do I understand why "sheepish" was the adjective.

I was really trying to see if your source/other information (same one that left no doubt in your mind that the Amherst AD made the hoops coaching decision with no marching orders) offered any insight on this topic. The sheepish adjective came from you when you told me some time ago to "trust me when I post things, even in a sheepish kind of way." Of course, I realize with your inside sources you need to be careful with what you say and/or how you say it. Again, no need for me to learn to trust you and your posts, as I already did coming in. Call this trolling for information if you will.

I understand now. Thank you. I have nothing to add and at this time am pretty involved with a gig (first work since March 11) and don't have much time to focus on anything else. If I happen to learn of something, I will do my best to update if able.

[SpringSt7]

I had heard that each of the 6 finalists had met with the team, but do not know whether or not their input was either solicited or taken into consideration

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I have been told that current players on the team were involved ... interviewed all six finalists.