MBB: NESCAC

[D3BBALL]

Tough couple of weeks for the "Hank Morgan is not the best player in the conference" crowd...

Are you related or Morgan's agent?
Morgan played against Wesleyan and was a non factor in the second half while Regan was lighting it up.
Then against Trinity when the game was decided, a 5 minute stretch in 2nd half, Morgan was guarded by Trinity Subs and fell behind by 10 points. He shot the ball great, but at home with leads in both 2nd half's you need to win. Couple of bad turnovers as well.
It's Regan's To lose right now, he was very good against Trinity today, played the entire second half and was one of the biggest reason they won.
It's Regan 1, Gyimesi 2, Morgan 3, Vetter no longer in running, he was not good today.
IMO will come down to the Tufts Wesleyan game next weekend. Will most likely decide the regular season title and POY.

Agree that the wes - tufts game will decide regular season title and POY. That being said, I can see how the consensus right now is for Regan to be #1, but having watched Gyimesi for years and seeing this year - there's no doubt in my mind he deserves it. He's death by a thousand cuts. Hook shot. Hook shot. Hook shot. Hook shot. This is how conn felt today, and how most teams do. Not to mention he gets on the glass like no one I've ever seen. Best rebounder I've ever watched, especially for his size

Tough to compare as they play different positions and have totally different games. Regan, better shooter, ball handler, passer. Gyimesi better down low scorer, rebounder, both I think are good defensively. Both are difficult to defend. Both are the reason their teams are where they are.
That head to head game will decide a lot. If close game and both play well, I see Regan getting the nod. The way the league changed the year end awards to 14 players, stupid and trying to keep everyone (coaches)  happy the give it to the senior over the junior. Both are very deserving so far. Will be interesting to see how each team defends both players.

[D3BBALL]

Tufts Wesleyan should be great game to watch next weekend.
Trinity going to get throttled by Tufts. Trinity has zero offensive flow, take way too many bad shots. Coach screaming at refs the entire game doesn't help his team. They can defend but can't score against good defensive teams. Only thing that might help Trinity is that they will get Tufts 1 day after Tufts plays Wesleyan. But after watching both teams play, multiple times, Tufts should easily beat them.

Slow down Vetter, and we win the game. Last year they beat us 3 times. Well coached team, good talent -  maybe less this year. But a lot of the games before last year were 20 point tufts wins, including at trinity. It wouldn't shock me to see this next weekend, but I'll err on the side of caution and conclude tufts 60-51

Trinity needs to shoot threes well because when they don't they have very little else against good teams. Their 3 losses the haven't shot it well from 3 and 2 of those games they shot it terribly. 2 of those teams Babson and Wesleyan are both physical  and Trinity doesn't match that and they foul way too much. More than anyone trinity misses Smith. Don't know if trinity has anyone to control Gyimesi, Smith took him out of 2 of those games last year. Davis did not play for Trinity today, not sure why, but they will need him to have any shot with Tufts. Again maybe getting Tufts a day after they play Wesleyan  gives Trinity an advantage but Tufts I think has too much depth for it to matter that much. You are on a roll so won't go against your score!!!

[D3Parent1]

A shout out to Midd forward David Brennan.   He has quietly (maybe not so quietly?) hit the career milestone of 900 rebounds with the 10 rebounds in the game against Williams yesterday.  Inch-for-Inch the best rebounder in the NESCAC for 3-1/2 years and counting.  It is not just that he rebounds...it is that so many of them are contested rebounds that he comes up with.   His numbers are incredible....If he stopped today he would be the all time leader in half the NESCAC schools...and by the end of the season outside of a very few outliers he would be #1 in almost all of them.   

[CWM_42]

One of the outliers would be Brad Moore (Colby '75) who had 1,392 career rebounds, or an average of 15.3 per game.

[CWM_42]

Brad Moore also scored 1,935 career points.

[D3BBALL]

David has had a great career at Middlebury. Should be highly considered for 2nd team NESCAC. Kid plays hard every game and as you say rebounding machine. Has been the heart of that team for 4 years.

[D3Parent1]

One of the outliers would be Brad Moore (Colby '75) who had 1,392 career rebounds, or an average of 15.3 per game.

Yes.  There are a scattering of crazy rebound stats from the 1950's and even up through the 1990's.  Hamilton has their top 5 all well over 1,000 from that period...so lets go with from 2000 onward....and yes there are a very few with better career stats, very few, but they were not 6' 6"...so "inch for inch" the best rebounder. 

As a side note maybe someone who knows more can go over how they used to keep rebounding stats?  Because there are a good number (such as Brad Moore) with stats that could not be achieved in todays game?

[Bucket]

One of the outliers would be Brad Moore (Colby '75) who had 1,392 career rebounds, or an average of 15.3 per game.

Yes.  There are a scattering of crazy rebound stats from the 1950's and even up through the 1990's.  Hamilton has their top 5 all well over 1,000 from that period...so lets go with from 2000 onward....and yes there are a very few with better career stats, very few, but they were not 6' 6"...so "inch for inch" the best rebounder. 

As a side note maybe someone who knows more can go over how they used to keep rebounding stats?  Because there are a good number (such as Brad Moore) with stats that could not be achieved in todays game?

The ultimate outlier has to be Midd's Tom Hart and his 1,738 rebounds from 1953-56. Twice he grabbed 46 in a game, which isn't even the record (!), which is held by Charles Rand, who had 49 rebounds in a game in 1953.

With two more rebounds, David will move into second-place all-time at Middlebury, passing Ryan Sharry.

[toad22]

One of the outliers would be Brad Moore (Colby '75) who had 1,392 career rebounds, or an average of 15.3 per game.

As a side note maybe someone who knows more can go over how they used to keep rebounding stats?  Because there are a good number (such as Brad Moore) with stats that could not be achieved in todays game?

I don't think it has anything to do with the rebounding statistic itself. Basketball was typically played at a somewhat slower pace in those days. Many players played all 40 minutes, something that rarely happens today. If David Brennan had the energy to play 40 mpg today, his rebounding numbers would be proportionately higher. He is truly a rebounding machine. He also had to share those rebounds with another great rebounder, Alex Sobel. That certainly "hurt" his stats as well.

[Greek Tragedy]

https://x.com/greektragedy08/status/1883530633731047608

Here is Middlebury's buzzer beater at Williams yesterday.

[SpringSt7]

Weird trends that almost certainly won't be repeated this year:

The last time Williams lost three league games in a row was 2018-19, a year in which they went to the Elite 8.

The last time Williams started out 1-4 in the league was 2016-17, a year in which they went to the Final 4.

Have to go back to 2008 for the last 3 game losing streak prior to that and much further for the 1-4 starts.

[warriorcat]

That looks like a foul to me.  I have seen less contact called a foul numerous times this year.

[D3BBALL]

Guess would be refs were making sure no foul on shooter and shot got off before time ran out and didn't concentrate on those 2.

[SpringSt7]

Plays like that are why flopping is so prevalent in basketball right now. I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out but if Glatzer goes flying into the 5th row I bet there's a chance it gets called

[Greek Tragedy]

The Williams player made no complaints about the contact. Yeah, if he would've gone down easier, it probably would've been a foul. Couldn't even call it a flop cuz there was a lot of contact. Like everyone, watching the shooter.