MBB: NESCAC

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · January 11, 2006, 10:18:23 AM

I'm not up on how long the NESCAC has been around; I know most of the schools have long athletic traditions, but I don't know what year is the earliest that counts.

frank uible · January 11, 2006, 12:45:25 PM

1971 with some changes in membership.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · January 11, 2006, 12:58:15 PM

So, I guess Williams players from the 1920's won't count then.

formerbant10 · January 11, 2006, 03:49:57 PM

Technically they wouldn't be NESCAC players, but as long as they are from a NESCAC institution they can be included....at least in my opinion.

I've also heard that former Williams coach Harry Sheehy was quite the player in the 70's.

As for the Trinity/Amherst game, should be a good one. The last few years have all been single digit decisions, I expect this to be the same.

Mr. Ypsi · January 11, 2006, 09:08:19 PM

This is a board I regularly follow (don't recall if I 've ever posted); if any of you follow NATIONAL d3 bb, please check out Posters' Poll on the Multi-Region Board.

We have started a poll (NOT to be viewed as competition for the d3hoops.cpm poll); we're serious, but also for fun - discrepancies between our poll and the 'real' poll could give rise to interesting discussions.

The first poll was heavily midwestern; IF you follow the national scene, we would value your input - think Amherst was underrated, or that Northeast (geographically speaking, not necessarily the Region) teams got 'screwed' - vote!

As moderator, I reserve the right to disallow overly 'homerish' ballots - 6 NESCAC teams in the top 20 ain't gonna get counted! But this will be done only in extreme cases.

IF you follow the national scene, come join us! (Despiite my appeals above, please vote 'honestly', not with a regional bias!)

Jumbos35 · January 11, 2006, 09:16:27 PM

You can't forget about Bice (Williams) and Stevens (Colby) if you're gonna put an all-time team together. Those two were 6'6 - 6'7 shooters. Way athletic. Tough matchups. I think Bice may have had 2,000 in the early/mid 90's. I'd take either of those guys over Shantz every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

formerbant10 · January 11, 2006, 09:55:11 PM

Mr. Ypsi,

I have checked out the pollster's poll and didn't have time to do it this past week or the upcoming due to my own schedule...but I will get one to you eventually.

As for an All NESCAC All Time team, I don't know enough about the guys that played before 2000....but since then there have been some players who are now at the top of their schools all time scoring list. Rhoten, Zieja, Kanem Johnson who overtook Leo Jones. Obviously Nogelo has to be up there, I'd say that Crotty belongs as well....but I'd like to know more about some of the older guys.

Amherst/Trin preview:

Home court means nothing in this game, more often than not in the past 5 years the visiting team has won the game. And every game has been an absolute battle.

Trinity will have to limit their turnovers and keep the Amherst big guys off the offensive glass. Need to get some scoring besides Rhoten and Clarke.

It'll be interesting to see who Coach Hixon puts on Rhoten. I figure Casnocha to start with Coulibaly coming in to help out. Rhoten has had some good games against them in the past, it seems almost as if the Jeffs will let him go for 40 as long as the other guys don't get more than 30.

Should be a great game, wish I could make it up to Amherst to watch it.

Mr. Ypsi · January 11, 2006, 10:07:14 PM

Quote from: formerbant10 on January 11, 2006, 09:55:11 PM
Mr. Ypsi,

I have checked out the pollster's poll and didn't have time to do it this past week or the upcoming due to my own schedule...but I will get one to you eventually.

So as to maintain continuity in the poll, I'm not allowing anyone in who doesn't post in either of the first two polls. Please find a way to post this week - even if it is only good, not great! Otherwise your GREAT posts won't count!

Sticks11 · January 11, 2006, 11:34:01 PM

I believe Matt Hancock from Colby is 4th alltime in scoring in DIII history with 2,678 points, is a 3 time All American and was the National Player of the Year. I would have to say he is definitely up there.

Red1 · January 12, 2006, 03:28:49 AM

Hamilton had a great player back in the late 70's ('75-79) with 2356 pts, named Cedric Oliver. He was drafted by the Houston Rockets after he graduated. His name should be included on an all time Nescac greats list. He also had 1316 rebounds and 247 steals to go along with that point total for his career.

Cheers,
Red

walzy31 · January 12, 2006, 04:40:37 PM

I was drafted by the Houston Rockets after I graduated.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · January 12, 2006, 04:45:51 PM

I was drafted by the Houston Rockets last year, but have you seen that team? They are nuts... no way I'm going there. I'll stick with the 9-5 thank you.

formerbant10 · January 13, 2006, 07:48:29 AM

Saw Trinity play Clark last night and they look amazing.

Rhoten would've finished with a triple double, but some of the guys he passed to got fouled before they could finish. Easily the most complete game I've ever seen him play. 4 other Bants in double figures including both freshmen with 13.

If they play the same way tomorrow, it'll be a great game.

nescachoopsfan · January 13, 2006, 10:48:36 PM

first off, clark is an awful team, i saw them play tufts and it wasnt a game after the first 15 minutes of the first half. im not suprised rhoten had a monster game, but clark probably doesnt have anybody that can stop rhoten, probably not even 2 guys at the same time. they have no chance against a good team like trinity. secondly i really hope the do come to play and put up a game against amherst. i think amherst might have a tough time with trinity and it would make the league a lot more interesting to see a loss for amherst so early in the season. third the tufts game against colby, drew cohen did not even play! he was away due to a wedding and wont be playing against bates tomorrow either. i thought colby was in trouble with trying to guard dan martin with cohen (a good, possibly exceptional defender) but without cohen, defending martin was a joke. although it was only a 9 point lead at half, jeremy black through a perfect ally-oop to martin on a break and that seemed to take colby out of the game for good with 15 minutes left in the second half. tufts cut back on turnovers and shut down colbys shaky offense, and it wasnt a game. martin ends up with 16 points on 6 shots scoring at will on the block. cant wait to hear about the other games

Red1 · January 14, 2006, 12:25:39 AM

Bates 57-Bowdon54. Brian Wholly was absolutely on fire tonight (7-12 overall, 4-5 from behind the arc) as was the rest of the Bates offense shooting a whopping 62% in the first half. Bates was up by as many as 18 early in the second half until Bowdoin started to play 5 minutes into the second half. Bowdoin fought back getting to withing 2 on with a 3pt shot by Andrew Hippert with 5 seconds remaining. Hippert was fouled on the play and missed the ensuing free throw on purpose, but Bates grabbed the rebound and Bowdoin had to foul thus ending the Bowdoin comeback 3pts short.

I was especially worried about tomorrow's game between Bates and Colby because Colby handled Bates quite well in Lewiston, and only by some last second heroics by Zack Ray did Bates win that game. The news of Drew Cohen's absence tomorrow makes me far more optomisitic although that's not the way anyone prefers to win. It always feels better to beat a team when their at full strength then it does to beat them when their best player isn't there. A win is a win however. Although, I shouldn't count chickens before they hatch. This is one of those rivalry games and we've seen what can happen there as Bates beat Bowdoin in women's basketball earlier tonight. Bates certainly has a better chance without having to face Cohen though.

Cheers,
Red1