MBB: NESCAC

senatorfrost · March 14, 2006, 09:04:04 PM

I never saw the guy from MIT so I can't comment. Yvon is a tremendous talent but I didn't see him this year either. I guess Chris Rose has a name that people like to say and write down. That can be the ONLY explanation as to why he was named over Wheeler. No doubt plenty of people voted who saw neither one.
Stockwell-a #4 who can be a #3. Wheeler a #3 who can be a #4. If Stockwell is better than Wheeler and I say IF!!! then Wheeler should maybe still be ahead of Stockwell as a #3 since Rhoten is the obvious #4 but I do realize that one can't actually expect these SID's to actually know what they are doing.

Chris Rose-==well we all know that a Rose is a Rose is a Rose is a Rose-- and we all know that a "Rose by any other name would" etc. We know "Roses are Red my love"--and we know about the "Red Roses for the Blue Lady" and "My love is like a Red Red Rose" not to mention Guns and Roses.

On the other hand the only images the name Wheeler conjures up immediately are "Wheeler Dealer" and 18 Wheeler which are not the kinds of images that SID's would be thinking of in a positive light. I guess it is easy to see why they chose Rose over Wheeler. If there was a player named Brett Momi, he would have been a sure thing for some team even if he was vastly inferior.

walzy31 · March 14, 2006, 09:10:28 PM

senatorfrost has lost his mind!

The SID's of the NEWMAC must have had stronger representation than the NESCAC when the voting took place to put the MIT kid as player of the year in NE.

Would also explain Rose over Wheeler. Williams played 4 games against NEWMAC opponents while Amherst only played one.

hugenerd · March 15, 2006, 02:52:25 AM

I had the pleasure of seeing Dauria play quite a bit this year and I take exception with many of the comments made on this board, especially by walzy. Let us step back and compare Bedford and Dauria the only way that we can, by the numbers since they never played eachother and then lets see how the two stack up.

So since you asked for a comparison walzy:

Quote from: walzy31 on March 14, 2006, 06:00:14 PM
I agree with St. Claire, Rhoten and Yvonne, and understand they are doing 2 guards 2 forwards and a center, but play a three guard offense or spend time comparing D'Auria to Bedford because Bedford is better than him and Stockwell.

Here it goes, you let me know what part of the comparison tells me why Bedford is better than Dauria:

Bedford played on an Amherst team that scored over 20 points more a game than MIT (85.2 vs. 65), however Dauria outscored him 19.5 to 17.3 ppg. Dauria also had more rebound per game(5.1 vs. 4.6), assists per game (3.5 vs. 2.6) , steals per game (2.4 vs. 1.5), blocks per game(0.3 vs. 0.1), 2P FG per game, 3P FG per game, and FTs per game; the only numbers that were lower for Dauria than Bedford were percentages, which can be expected from the offensive burden that Dauria was expected to carry for MIT (for example, Dauria scored 30% of his teams points while Bedford only scored 20%). In addition, Dauria helped lead MIT to a wins record that had stood at MIT for 40 years and to their first 20 win season ever. He was ranked in every statistical category in the NEWMAC, he was player of the year in that league as well, in addition to being named an academic all-american.

When you look at the numbers you can clearly see an argument for Dauria and why the 1st team selection as well as the player of the year went his way. So walzy, next time you want to make a comment putting someone down from another team, at least do some research to see if what you are saying has any substance whatsoever. I think what Amherst has done, and is doing this year is exceptional, and their team really has a shot to win it all, but I wouldnt go around making negative comments about individual players on other teams you have never seen play because it makes you look ignorant. I am sure Bedford is an oustanding talent and he deserves a lot of recognition. However, you must admit, that by the (individual) numbers, Dauria has had a superior season.

So in the end, I guess the selection committee did do a comparison, unlike yourself, and decided to go with the numbers instead of making the comparison on imaginary factors that take into account no tangible criteria of production on a basketball court (like you seem to have done in your mind when you called for this comparison).

Pat Coleman · March 15, 2006, 04:49:50 AM

Four NESCAC schools cast ballots this year.

soze · March 15, 2006, 07:14:27 AM

Senator

Give a Williams guy some credit for once, Chris Rose is a player, leave the weird **** yourself!

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 15, 2006, 08:39:23 AM

I think Witt by seven is about right. Again, don't get me wrong, I think Amherst can win this game, I just don't think they are the favorites going in. If you played this game 100 times, Amherst would not win half of the games. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, and you guys can't complain about the all-region team if none of your SIDs vote.

baller i b · March 15, 2006, 09:07:39 AM

After four years of all around consistency, how was Petrie left off the all region team? I find it hard to believe that there are 15 players, this year/last year, that are better than Petrie. Everyone knows he did it all, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, and dropping dimes. If you check the stat sheet, Petrie has flirted with many a-triple-doubles and actually posted one last year. This is just an example of his all around game and there are not many players who can compete with that. I dont know how he was not on one of the teams. And Chris Rose is a good shooter, but no way should such a one dimensional should be selected over Petrie. Stockwell on the first team...suspect. Im sensing selection biast, kinda like Gonzaga being a 3 seed, its ridiculous

Amherst95 · March 15, 2006, 09:28:05 AM

Bedford played on an Amherst team that scored over 20 points more a game than MIT (85.2 vs. 65), however Dauria outscored him 19.5 to 17.3 ppg. Dauria also had more rebound per game(5.1 vs. 4.6), assists per game (3.5 vs. 2.6) , steals per game (2.4 vs. 1.5), blocks per game(0.3 vs. 0.1), 2P FG per game, 3P FG per game, and FTs per game; the only numbers that were lower for Dauria than Bedford were percentages, which can be expected from the offensive burden that Dauria was expected to carry for MIT (for example, Dauria scored 30% of his teams points while Bedford only scored 20%). In addition, Dauria helped lead MIT to a wins record that had stood at MIT for 40 years and to their first 20 win season ever. He was ranked in every statistical category in the NEWMAC, he was player of the year in that league as well, in addition to being named an academic all-american.

Huge,

What was D'Auria's minutes per game?

auerbach · March 15, 2006, 09:32:52 AM

Hoops you hedge every statement you make. What do you really think? You've put up some really good posts and I expect you have more decisive thoughts than stated thus far. Grab a bat and step up. There's no need to be shy, most of these folks respect you. For you guys doing all the analysis about that d3 all star team ,stop now. the nescac is by far the best league, probably lost 10-15% of the games out of conference as a league.sectional championship was actually amherst - tufts and trinity would have beat anybody else in it so whem comparing kids from mit and springfield it's like apples and oranges they didn't play the same talent night and night out. the two kids from amherst should be there but formerbant hit it on the head 2x in 4 yrs. go back and look at the play by play of amherst -springfield .... read it and you will realize who the better player is. wheeler not even mentioned is a joke.

Amherst95 · March 15, 2006, 09:34:37 AM

Good luck to Dan Martin in the future. Great player and a stand-up guy.

Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) · March 15, 2006, 09:37:38 AM

I think Wittenberg is the better team. I've said that. I just really think Amherst is playing well and they have the ability to win this game if things go in their favor. It's one of those thing that either way I pick, the other is going to win and I'll look foolish. Not that its the first time. Wittenberg will win, but there are so many people (on other boards) not giving Amherst much of a chance that I wanted it to be known that I think they do have a chance, just not enough of one for me to pick them.

JeffRookie2 · March 15, 2006, 10:04:55 AM

I think the all-region teams prove that d3hoops.com and the larger national d3 community know little or nothing about northeast hoops. Stockwell over Bedford and Cohen? WHAT!!??

Mike T · March 15, 2006, 10:06:35 AM

Hoops Fan,
I have read a number of your posts the past couple years. For the most part they have been unimpressive and unknowledgeable. you love to post about anything even if you dont have a clue. you have not seen wittenberg you admitted that...have you even seen amherst play this year? if so, how many times? and i love how you weigh in on the all-region selections as if you have a clue, is that why St. Clair made first team, thats your son right? get a life. At least formerbant goes to games and thus knows what he is talking about.

JeffRookie2 · March 15, 2006, 10:08:08 AM

Quote from: baller i b on March 15, 2006, 09:07:39 AM
After four years of all around consistency, how was Petrie left off the all region team? I find it hard to believe that there are 15 players, this year/last year, that are better than Petrie. Everyone knows he did it all, scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, and dropping dimes. If you check the stat sheet, Petrie has flirted with many a-triple-doubles and actually posted one last year. This is just an example of his all around game and there are not many players who can compete with that. I dont know how he was not on one of the teams. And Chris Rose is a good shooter, but no way should such a one dimensional should be selected over Petrie. Stockwell on the first team...suspect. Im sensing selection biast, kinda like Gonzaga being a 3 seed, its ridiculous

Petrie is better than Stockwell for sure.

JeffRookie2 · March 15, 2006, 10:13:20 AM

I think most Amherst fans realize that this is not a team that we match up particurally well against and that we will need to shoot lights out to win. I dont know how we are going to stop them from getting a ton of second chance points. We just need to man up and crash the boards. Goldy needs to throw his weight around. Hopkins needs to play more and show some aptitude on the defensive end. All we need though is once. Someone told me that Williams led all of 40 seconds combined in their 2 wins at the Final Four when they won the championship. Thats what we need to do, keep it close and see if we have the heart to pull it out at the end. I'm sure there are some folks in Medford who think we might.

GO JEFFS! ONE TIME!

MBB: NESCAC

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