MBB: NESCAC

[dman]

actually neither springfield nor union made the sweet 16 in '05; they lost the games leading to it.......

[ephoops]

Now that the season is over, it's never too early to be thinking about next year and new recruits.  Any word regarding potential impact recruits in NESCAC that were admitted early decision?  I saw a post on the board in the past week or so that Williams has a 6'7" recruit from R.I. who was accepted early.  Anyone know anything about him??  Any other recruiting news??

[nescac1]

Funny you should ask, this bit of news just came out today:

http://www.keepmecurrent.com/Sports/story.cfm?storyID=16580

He is also 6'7.  The first kid was from Delaware, and supposedly he is very solid with perimeter skills.  If either of these guys (or hopefully both) can make significant contributions as frosh, Williams could be very tough next year, as they have plenty of shooters returning but really need to play Rose more at the 3 so they can compete against bigger teams.  Of course, it's pretty rare that big guys make an immediate impact in college ball.  In any event, the future is looking brighter and hopefully by nabbing a few big guys Paulsen can silence some of the critics questioning his recruiting ability. 

[formerbant10]

I believe I heard earlier in the winter that Middlebury landed a recruit out of NYC that was being looked at by many of the other NESCAC schools.  6'4" 2 guard who's pretty good, similar type of player to Bedford.  I'm not positive he ended up with Middlebury, but that was the rumor in January.  If so, they have at worst a solid incoming class to go along with a very good class for '09.  Things might be turning around up in VT.

[nescac1]

Seems like the talent continues to roll in for lots of teams ... in a case of the rich getting richer, someone noted before that Wheeler's brother is headed for Amherst; if he's as good or better than older bro, that could be trouble for the rest of the league.   I also heard a very good scoring point / two guard, DJ Carcieri, will play for them.  So it looks like they are replacing their lost perimeter firepower, while they have a ton of big guys and, of course, Olsen returning. 

[fpc85]

2006-2007 early predictions:

1st tier:
Amherst- Must replace key players...BUT there is a lot of talent to choose from

Trinity- WIll taylor and others be enough to get them over the top?

Bates- The get the Jeffs and Trinity(?) in maine.

2nd Tier(in no particular order):
Williams- Can SOMEONE score in the post...If so then they will be part of the 1st tier.
Conn- They could be next years Tufts...nah!!

Tufts- Can they maintain the consistency w/o Martin


pretenders:
Wes
Colby- Cohen can't do it all
Bowdoin
Middlebury

[Ulf_Tornstrom]

You have to be nuts to think that SID's are better voters for All-Region and All-American teams than coaches.

I really think coaches know who the best players in the country are regardless of the league or region in which their teams play in.  I bet more coaches know out-of-region colleagues and star players than SID's do.  Coaches talk all the time about who is good in their perspective leagues.  Coaches in other regions sure knew Ray Bryant from UC baby.  How many SID's knew about him though?  Teams also travel out-of-region for tournaments and such as well.  To say that SID's are better judges of talent than the coaches is laughable.

Furthermore, if I remeber correctly, if an SID doesn't nominate his school's players for D3hoops.com awards than the best players might not even be up for selection.   In year's past many top players who were selected by the NABC haven't even been able to make the D3hoops.com team because the respective school's SID's were knee-deep in hockey or baseball and completely forgot to send their stuff in.   If you all know who the best players are, then why place the burden on the SID's to nominate the players.  If anyone should be nominating the players, it should be the coaches or the leagues in which they play. 

Saying that a player would rather be a D3hoops.com All-American over being an NABC All-American is like saying Andrew Bogut would rather be the Salt Lake Tribune Player of the Year instead of the Wooden Award winner.  Or Jameer Nelson would rather be the Comcast SportsNet All-American than the Wooden Award winner.

It's just doesn't make any sense to me.  The awards are great, but you've can't put yourselves ABOVE the NCAA fellas. 

Go UC!!!

[Ulf_Tornstrom]

The Salt Lake Tribune has more street cred than you think.  I meant to say the NABC.  You are putting yourself ahead of the NABC.  Rather than always defending the way you do things, why not make a change and get the leagues and coaches more involved?

Your voters didn't even have Tyler Rhoten as an honorable mention and the list goes on!  Did you see him play?  He's better than over half of your guys!

What a joke.  Do you honestly think that your All-American team holds a candle to the NABC team?

I've never seen anyone give themselves so many props! 

To think that the coaches are not as good at voting for All-Region and All-Americans as SID's is a joke Pat.

If SID's had as much a clue on talent, they'd be coaches and coaches would be crunching numbers all day while searching 8th Street Latinas with the rest of the Nerd Herd.

Get a clue.

[Pat Coleman]

You are putting yourself ahead of the NABC.  Rather than always defending the way you do things, why not make a change and get the leagues and coaches more involved?

Because what we do works. We don't guarantee the East one-eighth of the All-American slots when it doesn't even have one-tenth of the teams.

Your voters didn't even have Tyler Rhoten as an honorable mention and the list goes on!  Did you see him play?  He's better than over half of your guys!

Name them. And remember, you have to stick to forwards. Those are the only players Rhoten was up against.

What a joke.  Do you honestly think that your All-American team holds a candle to the NABC team?

Yep. Sure do. Kyle Myrick is on their third team. Keelan Amelianovich, Adam Dauksas and Dan Russ aren't on their team at all. Their first-team Mid-Atlantic player looked dreadfully average in three straight NCAA Tournament games. Hell, they can't even spell all the kids' names right. They have eight players on a team! They're coaches, right? Don't they remember cutting their own teams' starters down to five?

This isn't an All-American team, it's just the top vote-getters from each All-Region team. That's the exact same "reasoning" they used for their Top 20 poll. There's a reason there is no NABC poll anymore -- it's a fallacious assumption to put every region on equal footing.

I've never seen anyone give themselves so many props! 

Sorry -- it's our site. Are we not allowed to self-promote?

To think that the coaches are not as good at voting for All-Region and All-Americans as SID's is a joke Pat.

So are your reading comprehension skills, apparently. I never said I thought that. Sheesh. SIDs don't have a vote on our All-American team at all and if you'd read any of the conversations you'd know that.

Get a clue.

I've got several. Here's hoping this post lends you one of them.

[Pat Coleman]

Please stop crossposting between the two boards, Ulf.

[formerbant10]

What a joke.  Do you honestly think that your All-American team holds a candle to the NABC team?

To think that the coaches are not as good at voting for All-Region and All-Americans as SID's is a joke Pat.

I'd take Pat's 1st two teams over the NABC's 1st team.  Myrick and Ameelianovich would be an unstopable duo on the wings.  Scary to think about defensing those two.

Maybe Rhoten should've been on, but I checked out the stats of all the forwards that made it and their numbers (this year) were just as good.  Will they all have as good a career as Rhoten, maybe not.  But they are all on there for a reason.  I'm as big a Rhoten supporter that you'll find on this board and after doing the research, I can say all those guys deserve it.  I still think Rhoten should've been on there somewhere, but his team didn't have the greatest season, and statistically he didn't have his best.  Those are the easiest ways to measure a player's stature w/o seeing him play, and I completely understand Pat's reasoning.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Man haven't we done this conversation twice in the last week?  It always comes back to haunt me: idiots who post without reading previous posts.  You think the world revovles around you?  Some of us have discussed this all before.  If you've got something new to offer, great! If not, then stay out.

The All-Region teams are the SID's thing.  They decided to do it, so they vote.  It might be time for you to dump them, Pat.  Although, I guess this is the trade-off for having them actually putting scores and schedules up on time.

[Knightstalker]

Get a clue.

I've got several. Here's hoping this post lends you one of them.

+K to the Guru for making me snarf.  Dat's a Guut Von.

[Knightstalker]

Please stop crossposting between the two boards, Ulf.

Now Guru, we need to be tolerant of all these days, even the Crossposters.   

[nescachoopsfan]

obviously its wayy to early to talk about next year but... how can i resist.

bates- probably the best tandom in seniors ray and stockwell with nice complimentary players and a tough style of play. experience and talent with a balanced team makes them in my mind the team to beat.

amherst- losing bedford and casnocha is very tough for them. cas allowed them to really spread their offense and open everything up for the drive and kick.  if they dont have a big shooter to take his place i dont think the team will be as affective.

then i dont really know what to think about tufts trinity and williams.  williams have proven to be affective without a real inside presence although newton was a good player, i dont think they lose too much without him since they shoot so many 3's.  trinity losing a great player in rhoten, but still do have martin and clarke, with some solid big men.  hoar and martin are both good players.  tufts loses martin who was their go to guy, although he didnt always lead the team in scoring, he was probably the guy the opposing team focused on the most.  they do return shepherd who was the leader of the team and kumf, athletic scorer and rebounder, along with their strong sophmore class of weitzen o'keefe and black.

colby brings back cohen, probably the only center in the league, and obviously showed everyone what he can do this year.  but i dont know if they have enough around him to really crack the top 5.  conn seems to always have young talent that could pan out to be dangerous, maybe this is the year for the camels.... bowdoin loses a great player in petrie and i think that hurst their ability to score, except hippert does put up enough shots to make up for petrie.

middlebury and wesleyan.... they need somethings to happen for them