MBB: NESCAC

[walzy31]

Triple teaming Ty and hoping the wide-open Bants miss open jumper after open jumper. That strategy has been known to work. Also, foul trouble was an effective way to slow him down. Otherwise Ty was going to get his 25-40.

O'Shea brings home between (4 and 4) and (8 and 8 ) every night in less than 20 minutes of run. (Actual averages of 5.5 pts, 4.8 boards and 16 mins per game)

[Friar T]

Adding on to Walzy's comments, the Jeffs definitely play more center-by-committee. I feel like you can also throw Brandon Jones' name into that hat along with O'Shea and KHop. All three bring their own flavor to the table, and that's a danger that most people forget about when they accuse Amherst's interior of being weak. I agree that none of these guys fit the role of being a "banger" or "brute", but are obviously effective as they combine for 39 minutes, 17.5 points, 11.7 rebounds and 3.2 blocks per game. Those are All-America type numbers from one individual. Not to mention they have the added advantage of having 15 fouls to give between the three. I'll take this set up any day...

Eclinchy, winners win. Doesn't matter who they play, winners win. This isn't so much a comment on Tufts, as I think they are a very tough team, but more on your excuses made for them and jab at the Jeffs.

FormerBant, love the insight and comments. Kino is definitely one of the league's toughest players in the open floor, but I didn't really take into account his offensive rebounding. I'm glad you backed up my comments on the Bant's depth. So many good guards on that squad, it's got to be hard for Ogrodink to find time for them all. However, I still think the Springfield loss is a pretty bad one. Not so much b/c Amherst slaughtered them, but more b/c they lost to three other NESCAC squads (especially Williams). We can definitely agree to disagree on this one as Trinity is still a stellar 8-1 and will be a force in the NESCAC.

nescac hoops, still finding ways to take shots at the Jeffs... anyone surprised? I can't remember the last time you made a comment about the current Williams squad...

[eclinchy]

Eclinchy, winners win. Doesn't matter who they play, winners win. This isn't so much a comment on Tufts, as I think they are a very tough team, but more on your excuses made for them and jab at the Jeffs.

Well, thanks for the bland statement that doesn't really mean anything.

Did I ever argue that Amherst wasn't a winning team?  I'm just trying to explain why the Jumbos haven't always had a winning record, no need to pick a fight with me.

[formerbant10]

The only real way to stop Tyler was to hope he missed his shots.  If he was hitting his foul line jumper it was going to be a long night for his opponents.  And Walzy is right about the foul trouble.  As great a scorer as he was, if he was on the bench he wasn't putting the ball in the hoop.

As for Amherst losing to Occidental on the road, Oxy is a very tough team and when you're playing 3,000 miles from home you're at a huge disadvantage.  In past years Oxy ran a UCLA style offense which could've given the Jeffs a little bit of trouble.  But we all must remember that the Oxy game is about as far from being "in-region" as possible, so in the end it doesn't matter a whole lot.  But I don't agree that them losing on that trip means they won't be successful on other trips.  Losing in Salem is not the worst thing that could happen.  After all, only 4 teams make it and not all of them can win a game down there....that's just how it goes.

Friar, I feel you on the winners win.  We watched a Williams team play at Wesleyan and down 3 with 10 seconds left it was pretty clear that Williams was going to win.  They had the swagger and confidence and knew they were going to hit the big shot to force OT then win the game after that.  Winners find a way to win and that's the bottom line.

[thunder32]

JeffRook,

I think that offensively amherst is not looking for too much production out of the center spot.  I mean most their points come from their guards.  I agree with the fact that the three of them combined put up some good numbers but I think that if you have one of the guys playing 25 to 30 minutes you get a little bit more consistancy on the defensive end.  Oshea is a big stong kid and he has the ability to stop people is size or bigger.  Hopkins I remember being a lot weeker than Oshea and easier to push around.  So I think having Oshea our there for defense helps them out.  But Im not really sure.  I could be way off.  Also what about goldsmith he is pretty good defensivly

[nescac hoops]

williams sucks this year, i know that.

friar, i have already admitted this numerous times on this forum and have called amherst a "great" team a number of times. at best this year i think williams might be able to pull of a surprise of sorts - a conference game they play at home against a team who may overlook them - i.e. trinity last year. i think that will be the highlight of their season if they are able to pull out one of their games, which i think they have the shooters to do so. that being said, they will probably not finish any higher than 6th in the nescac.

blacklordjeff, equations with injuries are stupid - you're right. i tried to sidestep the issue without offending you b/c i had a lot of respect for you as a player. but as an eph fan, we would have been more relieved to hear that ben coffin's hangnail was almost healed to hear that tim jones would only be playing in 25 minutes of a game.

[nescac hoops]

walzy,
here is the huffer link. don't know where the leary one is but imagine it's coming today at some poin too. congrats on the honors yourself.

http://www.williams.edu/athletics/news.php?id=10153

[The Historian]

Wow.  This board's been quieter than Paulsen's recruiting phone lately.  Holidays and finals, I guess.

Anyway, given the NESCAC's lack of documented conference records, I thought it would be a fun task to try to compile our own little record book right here.  Most teams already have at least one loyal poster (who I nominate to compile what records you), and for the other teams, we could try to do a little research ourselves.

Here are just a few of the statistical categories that I thought would be fun to track:

Single Game
Points
Three Pointers
Free Throws
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Steals

Season/Career
Points
Scoring Average
FG Percentage
Three Pointers
Three-Point Percentage
Free Throws
Free Throw Percentage
Rebounds
Assists
Blocks
Steals

If we could get the top three or four individuals from each school for each record (or just the record holder, depending on the available data), I think we'd have a pretty legit record book.

What do people think?  Who's in?

I'm happy to provide Amherst stats.

Williams - nescachoops, nescac1?

Tufts - eclinchy, thunder32?

Trinity - formerbant10?

Conn - CCsalive?

Bates - ajsnc13, Red1?

Midd - Old Guy?

Colby, Bowdoin, Wesleyan?

Sorry if I screwed up anyone's affiliation.  I'm still new.

Don't do drugs.

[thunder32]

So do you want numbers or just people.  I think this is a good I idea.  Are you going to post it any where or just keep it here.  Maybe make a copy and send it to all the head coaches.  Ill help out by doing Tufts but it may take a while I have to find the record sheet but Ill see what I can do.

[nescac1]

Good idea, Historian.  Might be tough to find for Williams because I don't think there are many stats on the Williams basketball site.  I do know, though, that Nogelo has the all-time Eph record with 2000 career points (on the dot), Crotty certainly has both the single-season and all-time assist record (that number should be out there somewhere), and I am pretty sure Coffin has the all-time career rebound record.  As for single game stuff, that may be very difficult to dig up for the Ephs at least.  I imagine Crotty has the all time NESCAC assist lead, but I know lots of NESCAC guys have gone over 2000 points in their careers.  The two time All-American guard from Colby (Hancock, I think) from the early 90's has to be right up there in terms of career and single season points. 

[eclinchy]

Tufts is really bad about keeping single-game records.  Scoring totals are easy to find, but specific shots and stuff like steals/blocks, no can do.  Here's what I do have.

Points
45, Chad Onofrio vs. Suffolk, 1/29/94
44, Kevin Blatchford vs. Wheaton, 1/30/90
43, Kevin Blatchford vs. Suffolk, 2/5/90

Rebounds
26, Reggie Graham, 1972
24, Khari Brown vs. Trinity, 1/22/94

Assists
16, Daryl Brown 1977
15, Chad Onofrio vs. Washington College, 1/8/94

I think I can do better with season/career stats.  Give me a second, and I'll dig those up.

[formerbant10]

Single Game:

Points: 47- Jim Belfiore & Keith Wolff
3pt FG: 9 Keith Wolff
FTs: Not sure, but pretty sure Joe Reilly hit 40 or so in a row to start a season (heard from a professor).  Colin Tabb had a streak of over 60 straight.
Rebounds: 30 Charlie Wrinn
Assists: 21 Joe Hourihan, twice
Blocks: No Record of it
Steals: No record of it....most I know of is 11 Ryan Uszenski

Season:

Points: 619 Colin Tabb (01-02), 612 Tyler Rhoten (03-04)
Scoring AVG: 27.8 Joe Pantalone (69-70)
FG%: .652 Brent Cawelti (76-77)
3pt FG: 90 Troy McKelvin (94-95) 77 Keith Wolff (94-95)
3pt FG%: .516 Matt Vaughn (88-89)
FT%: .913 Craig Moody (97-98)
Rebounds: 486, 451 Charlie Wrinn (51-52, 52-53)
Assists: 258 Joe Hourihan
Steals: No Record of it
Blocks: 64 Michael Stubbs (89-90), 62 Julian Bah (00-01)

Career

Points: 2154 Tyler Rhoten, 1816 Ken Abere, 1448 Keith Wolff
Rebounds: 1312 Charlie Wrinn, 1109 Michael Stubbs, 818 Tyler Rhoten
3pt FG: 208 John Halas, 190 Troy McKelvin, 180 John Mulfinger
FT%: .858 Keith Wolff, .850 Dennis McCoy, .829 Craig Moody/Colin Tabb
Assists: 513  Mike Donovan, 511 Jesse Farrell, 506 Joe Hourihan
Steals: I think Ken Winter is the all time leader with more than 211
Blocks: 201 Michael Stubbs
Games: 102 Ken Abere, Bill Pfohl, Jesse Farrell, John Halas

This is whats on the website.  Trinity's SID, Dave Kingsley, is pretty good at getting specific numbers upon request. 

[eclinchy]

Success, for the most part.  The only thing I couldn't find was raw numbers of free throws... but I can keep digging for those.  Here are some top-three lists:

Career

Points
Greg Davis, 1785
Chris McMahon, 1721
Chad Onofrio, 1611

Scoring Average
Dennis Mink, 20.4
Willie Young, 20.3
Greg Davis, 19.2

FG Percentage
Troy Cooper,58.6%
Chris McMahon, 55.0%
John Caragiorgis, 53.6%

Three Pointers
Bill Slackman, 194 (I wouldn't be surprised if Jake Weitzen or Ryan O'Keefe shatters this record... they have 90 and 89 respectively)
Mike McGlynn, 170
Dave Cunningham, 167

Three-Point Percentage
Andy Chapin, 46.6%
Jake Weitzen, 46.0%
Bill Slackman, 42.5%
(The Tufts record book is only updated once a year.  Jake is listed at 46% because he entered this season 74 for 161.  This season, he's started off at an absolutely nasty 16 for 29 -- his current percentage is a team record of 47.3 percent.)

Free Throw Percentage
Chad Onofrio, 86.8%
Dan McLaughlin, 83.1%
Mike McGlynn, 81.0%

Rebounds
Bill Ewing, 918
Reggie Graham, 885
Troy Cooper, 874

Assists
Pat Skerry, 634
Jim Campbell, 520
Chad Onofrio, 504

Blocks
Khari Brown, 150
Chris McMahon, 107
Craig Coupe, 100
(Honorable mention to Thunder, who's in fifth with 69.)

Steals
Darryl Brunson, 241
Bill Ewing, 186
Brian Skerry, 180


Season

Points
Chris McMahon, 1994-95, 615
Greg Davis, 1984-85, 597
Larry Norman, 1990-91, 582

Scoring Average
Chris McMahon, 1994-95, 24.6
Greg Davis, 1984-85, 23.8
Dave Whitley, 1969-70, 23.7

FG Percentage
Troy Cooper, 1981-82, 63.8%
Troy Cooper, 1982-83, 61.1%
Chris McMahon, 1994-95, 59.3%

Three Pointers
Mike McGlynn, 2001-02, 102   
Bill Slackman, 1990-91, 90
Dave Cunningham, 1997-98, 79

Three-Point Percentage
Mike Andrews, 1999-00, 51.6%
Rob Malenfant, 1986-87, 51.0%
Paul Smith, 1999-00, 50.7%
(Jake is at 55.2% this year... watch out for that.)

Free Throw Percentage
Chad Onofrio, 1995-96, 89.5%
Chad Onofrio, 1992-93, 88.8%
Dan McLauglin, 1970-71, 85.9%

Rebounds
Reggie Graham, 1973-74, 348
Reggie Graham, 1971-72, 334
Dennis Mink, 1972-73, 310

Assists
Pat Skerry, 1990-91, 198
Dave Shepherd, 2004-05, 174 (as only a sophomore... not bad!)
Chad Onofrio, 1993-94, 160

Blocks
Khari Brown, 1992-93, 88 (that must be a record)
Craig Coupe, 2001-02, 55
Greg Davis, 1984-85, 47

Steals
Darryl Brunson, 1986-87, 77
Dan Ragsdale, 1996-97, 74
Brian Skerry, 1995-96, 67
(Interestingly, Jeremy Black had 58 last year; that's good for eighth all-time, off the bench.)

Also, does anyone think we should keep track of coaches' career win totals too?  Last week's win over Plymouth State was Bob Sheldon's 280th, for anyone interested.

[formerbant10]

Imagine if McGlynn played all 4 years at Tufts.....I'm pretty sure he has over 300 3's in his career.  He's got to be up there for all time DIII. 

Coupe would've been higher on some of those lists had he not transferred.  He ended up with 1,009 points and 800+ rebounds.

Great work on that info

[Dr E. Spengler]

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