MBB: NESCAC

[mybleedinghands]

i don't really see why it's such a big deal to not add a byline. this article is clearly different from a press release , in my opinion, and should not be treated like a press release. when i write press releases i don't expect to be cited by name or anything (as long as the newspaper or whatever doesnt take credit for it, it makes no difference to me), but if i were to write an article, i'd expect to have some sort of credit - rather it's me by name or just simply "Lynchburg College Sports Information" or whatever.

[pabegg]

JeffRookie2,
I have to disagree with you. Having seen Troy Ruths play a couple of times I felt he was a high caliber player. Are you are saying he was a "TERRIBLE" finisher because you saw him miss a dunk? He still shot 56 percent from the field. The Wash U team was pretty impressive as a cohesive unit. In fact I thought they matched up better to Amherst than the other two teams at the final four. Perhaps ask a few of your classmates on the team?

As a WashU alum who was at the Final Four, I don't think Troy Ruths had his best games in Salem. So if JeffRookie2 only saw those two games, I can see where he drew his conclusions from. What was most impressive to me about WashU's games in Salem was the performance of the other players.

That having been said, Troy has demonstrated the ability to stand up to the pressure of being the focus of the other team's defensive pressure, combined with the defensive ability to play the opposing big man because WashU doesn't really have another physical big man.

[JeffRookie2]

I did see only those two games, and I based my comment on his finishing skills on many missed putbacks more than the missed dunk. I think anyone who had seen only what I saw would have come to the same conclusion. I also admit that I watched the Wash U- Virginia Wesleyan game much more closely than I watched the Wooster game, which he seemed to perform better in. (Although, I have to say it didnt look like Wooster had their hearts in it.)

As for my comment on the Jeffs being able to shut down teams with only 2 weapons, that became clear throughout the tournament. The Jeffs pretty much used McLaughlin and Salerno to shut down a team's best perimeter scorer and then were content to let an opposing big men get his points. As I recall, members of the team even said as much in post game interviews during the final four. Granted, they didnt really see a team with 2 interior threats a la Wittenberg and Rochester, the teams that had eliminated them the two previous years.

[Pat Coleman]

Interesting comment from a long-time SID:

Historian,

Your complaint is misguided.  The article wasn't copy-righted, it was pulled off of an open forum (school web site) or perhaps release directly to specific media outlets (D3hoops included).

As SIDs we send out press releases without any expectation of credit or byline.  My press releases have often been carried word for word in local media and I have never requested credit or byline, because like wire service reports - that information is sent out with the expectation it will be used.

And if you are going on every board with this kind of foolishness, you are just embarrasing yourself.

[The Historian]

Pat, did you remove my posts from the other regional forums?  Why would you ever do such a thing?  Do you feel a little guilty?  I mean, go ahead and destroy my karma points for simply pointing out the original author of your front page story.

But but by censoring my comments you only add to my case against you.  If you felt comfortable about your actions, then you should have no problem with my postings.

Just to clarify, do you deny that Alex Kantor wrote the article about Adolphe Coulibaly on your front page?

If not, why do you refuse to give him credit?

If so, why don't you simply acknowledge that you got the article from an Amherst College press release?

Censor away.  You know best.

[Ralph Turner]

Pat, did you remove my posts from the other regional forums?

Read the Terms of Service.  You were violating the spirit of several items.

Why would you ever do such a thing?

Because your actions were a violation of the Terms of Service.

Do you feel a little guilty?  I mean, go ahead and destroy my karma points for simply pointing out the original author of your front page story.

I cannot speak for his feelings, but your actions and calling attention to this incident on multiple boards subjected yourself to the judgment of many veteran readers of these boards.  Our past experiences with D3hoops.com, D3football.com and D3Baseball.com caused us to consider applauding or smiting.  We have all seen press releases from our respective schools.  Some "specials" have been given a byline, but press releases are handled in a different manner.

But but by censoring my comments you only add to my case against you.  If you felt comfortable about your actions, then you should have no problem with my postings.

Your numerous postings on numerous boards were not about the technical issues of a press release.  (That issue is most correctly discussed by Pat and Alex, in the privacy of their conversations and correspondences.)  Your postings were all about "you" and carrying out a vendetta as a third person in the incident on multiple boards.

Just to clarify, do you deny that Alex Kantor wrote the article about Adolphe Coulibaly on your front page?

Alex Kantor's authorship is not the issue.  At the time of the posting we don't know that Alex didn't follow standard protocols that Pat has set up on these sites for handling material that may have copyright or intellectual property issues.

If not, why do you refuse to give him credit?

Who knows?  He may give him credit when the issue is fully discussed between the two of them.  Your butting into this issue, on a busy weekend when human interest story about a sport that is technically in the off-season is of less priority than covering football teams, is the what is galling to many fans.  Pat and Keith are taking time away from their families to see 3 football games in another part of the country to broaden their and our perspectives of D3 across the country.  We fans are particularly grateful when the D3football/Hoops family gets out to see the campuses and meet the SID's and Coaches.

If so, why don't you simply acknowledge that you got the article from an Amherst College press release?

He has previously stated that the article came as a press release. You weren't reading what he was writing.  You were still in "vendetta" mode.  Most fans on this board assume that it was a press release.  Now a feature article by a Williams SID about an Amherst player would have been news.

Censor away.  You know best.

And maintaining the Terms of Service are critical to the operations of the message board.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, did you remove my posts from the other regional forums?  Why would you ever do such a thing?  Do you feel a little guilty?  I mean, go ahead and destroy my karma points for simply pointing out the original author of your front page story.

But but by censoring my comments you only add to my case against you.  If you felt comfortable about your actions, then you should have no problem with my postings.

Just to clarify, do you deny that Alex Kantor wrote the article about Adolphe Coulibaly on your front page?

If not, why do you refuse to give him credit?

If so, why don't you simply acknowledge that you got the article from an Amherst College press release?

Censor away.  You know best.

I removed your off-topic posts from several boards. Meanwhile, Amherst and I have been having an off-board conversation, as appropriate, about credit, since none was given on the e-mail in which the release was actually sent.

Check the Terms of Service about posting off-topic, about trolling and about posting to multiple boards. Your posts were out of line and were removed, appropriately. You may find as you go back through those boards a post from a reader suggesting even further sanctions. You should consider yourself lucky there haven't been further sanctions at this time.

Alex Kantor does not need an agent. He's perfectly capable of having this discussion with me on a professional level. He doesn't need an anonymous proxy here.

[Pat Coleman]

Thanks, Ralph. It's unfortunate that this had to be my first stop on the site this morning, rather than my football Top 25 ballot or football e-mail.

Off to the airport in about a half-hour.

[NESCACAlumn]

You should consider yourself lucky there haven't been further sanctions at this time.

Oo, this sounds serious...

what further sanctions could there be?

[The Historian]

Thank you, Pat, for rectifying the situation.

[Pat Coleman]

Thank you, Pat, for rectifying the situation.

It would have been dealt with sooner without your interference and whining.

[uaapride]

When someone plagiarizes, it needs to be brought to everyone's attention. If you were a college student, you would be suspended for a semester. Consider yourself lucky, stop going all "Big Brother" on everyone to save your behind, and admit when your wrong. Now hopefully everyone can move on to what's really important, and that's talking about the upcoming season....

[Pat Coleman]

I appreciate the sentiment, but I think we all know that's not what happened here. Despite Historian's attempt to trump up charges, that's not the case.

Again, the actual facts, Amherst sent this release to its mailing list without a byline. Like any other press release at any other publication, we used it.

When Amherst objected and clarified who actually wrote the piece and mentioned it had previously been published elsewhere, we added that information.

If I were a student, I doubt the Amherst publicity people would be sending me press releases, uaapride.

[feces monkey]

Historian/uaapride = Twits

Byline for an SID? Plagiarism? Please. I know your Humanities degree empowers you to be the moral compass of this board, but you're in left field regarding journalism and common sense.

Institutional PR websites are not intellectual property; they are created for the sole purpose of redistribution. You've got your panties in a bunch and meanwhile the Amherst SID is excited a media outlet has reproduced his/her work.

If Hillary gets elected I'm sure you'll get a button on our lapel, but until then spare us the groupthink.

[ephoops]

If the AmHerst SID did not want the story reproduced without his permission, he should have noted so in the release and included a byline.  The release was put out into the public domain.  The SID should be happy that D3Hoops picked up the story on the site.

The whining and complaining by Historian is inane.

If the SID complained after the fact, it's ridiculous...