MBB: NESCAC

CCsalive · December 14, 2007, 04:17:01 PM

formerbant,
Be careful citing incomplete quotations and placing them out of context...this isn't Trinity anymore.

eclinchy, Thanks for some love. I would be ecstatic if the Camels finished at 5-4. Certainly, losing their seniors will hurt, but it hurt when we were undefeated, #1 in the land, and lost in the National Semis...but most of you don't know what that feels like. Tom Satran does, and his Camels are inching their way back to that level. Let's let the Camels have a great year before we start to wonder what's in store for them post-Stone.

formerbant10 · December 14, 2007, 09:42:10 PM

Quote from: CCsalive on December 14, 2007, 04:17:01 PM
formerbant,
Be careful citing incomplete quotations and placing them out of context...this isn't Trinity anymore.

...but it hurt when we were undefeated, #1 in the land, and lost in the National Semis...but most of you don't know what that feels like.

Are you saying you know what it's like to be #1 and undefeated??? I'm sure there are plenty of ex Ephs and Jeffs reading this board who know that feeling.

In all honesty, I love your enthusiasm and support for Coach Satran and his players....I'll never knock you for that. Simply stating that being a buzzer beater away from the 7 seed doesn't make them top half of the NESCAC. I may have misunderstood what you were conveying. But to me it read that 2 seasons ago not only were they close to the upper half, but also a buzzer beater away, etc, etc. If you were speaking about different seasons, please clarify for us lowly Bantams.

PS. Saw UofR play twice this week. Unimpressed against RIT on Tuesday, looked much better at home versus St. John Fisher (who has lost quite a bit in graduation). But I don't think they are better than Amherst (haven't seen them play) or Williams. In all fairness, their top guard is out this semester with a cast on his shooting hand.

CCsalive · December 15, 2007, 10:50:00 AM

In the 05-06 season, Conn lost at Williams on a Rose buzzer three pointer. They also lost their away swing at Tufts and Bates, but we're winning both games late. I know it is a huge stretch to play "what if," but I was giving them those three wins. The year prior (04-05), CC won one league game and it was over a very good Tufts team with that Ronny Turiaf look-alike who was a first-teamer...what was his name? Then they had the solid year where they made the conference tourney and lost at Amherst (but boy was it fun to wath then sophomore Jeff Young tooling with Casnocha for 3-4 possessions in a row...inside/outside/inside), immediately after that season the team sufferred some tumult and lost Young for the first semester of 06-07, Satran thought about sitting Young for last seasons second-semester, but the team needed him...alas, they couldn't gel and struggled in the almighty NESCAC (except for clobbering Bates)...if you recall, CC was victim to a 60 pt, 35 reb effort by Wesleyan's Artis Gilmore.
The point is two-fold:
1) We're talking about something other than what Amherst eats for breakfast on game-days.
2) CC has been very close to getting over the hump. Hopefully this is the year they separate from Wesleyan, Colby, Bowdoin, Bates (though we know they'll be back).

J-E-T-S, JETS, JETS, JETS

La Verdad · December 15, 2007, 11:51:15 AM

Quote from: CCsalive on December 15, 2007, 10:50:00 AM

1) We're talking about something other than what Amherst eats for breakfast on game-days.

I've actually been looking for a way to work this in for a while...
Hopkins eats cereal, Olson eats eggs, Jones makes waffles...

frank uible · December 15, 2007, 03:06:28 PM

Wheaties or Mother's Oats?

eclinchy · December 15, 2007, 03:08:50 PM

Sometimes I feel like it's only a matter of time before people start using this board to share their favorite Kevin Hopkins Facts...

Hopkins doesn't eat his breakfast. He forces it into submission.

La Verdad · December 15, 2007, 04:50:39 PM

Quote from: eclinchy on December 15, 2007, 03:08:50 PM
Sometimes I feel like it's only a matter of time before people start using this board to share their favorite Kevin Hopkins Facts...

Hopkins doesn't eat his breakfast. He forces it into submission.

Tim Tebow wears Kevin Hopkins pajamas

fpc85 · December 15, 2007, 10:12:16 PM

ehh cliff's ice cream and any type of chocolate cookie dough...i couldn't resist.

NY hoopster · December 16, 2007, 03:15:45 PM

CCSALIVE;

Colby should not be in your grouping of schools from which you hope Conn. will "seperate".
Colby made it to year NESCAC final four last year, by beating Middlebury, which had a 5-4 in-conference record, as did Colby and Tufts. Conn. was 1-8, Weslyan 2-7, and Bates and Bowdoin were 3-6 (in-conference). Colby is now 6-1, and its only loss was to Bowdoin by 3. Its early, but its a little presumptuous to drop a top 4 team into the bottom of the league without something in the early results or stats to back that up.

Rick Vaughn · December 16, 2007, 04:22:34 PM

Losing to Bowdoin by 3 is not a good thing. They are a below average team and on top of that Colby lost its two best players. I think it's more than OK to drop them into the lower tier of the NESCAC, especially since the top tier is so strong. Trying to lump Colby in with Williams, Amherst, Trinity, Tufts, and even Midd this year is a joke.

eclinchy · December 16, 2007, 04:38:36 PM

NY hoopster,

I'm with Rick on this one. Colby was a five-seed in the tournament last year, but I really wouldn't read into that too much. They were in a three-way tie for fourth with Middlebury and Tufts, but they could have easily been a lot lower than that.

They were 3-4 going into the final weekend, and their lucky stars all aligned for them to keep them out of a murky 6/7/8 mess alongside Bowdoin and Bates. First the Bobcats collapsed with a nine-point lead over Colby Friday night, and lost by a point when Stockwell missed a last-second jumper to win it. Then they ran into a Tufts team that, no thanks to the Mules, happened to be completely physically drained from an exhausting Bowdoin game the night before. The Jumbos missed a ton of threes and lost a sloppy game by five.

Colby could have easily lost both games. A little bit of luck made them 5-4 instead of 3-6. Now what happens when a middle-of-the-road 5-4ish/3-6ish team loses two of its best seniors? You tell me.

walzy31 · December 16, 2007, 05:11:16 PM

Quote from: CCsalive on December 15, 2007, 10:50:00 AM
The year prior (04-05), CC won one league game and it was over a very good Tufts team with that Ronny Turiaf look-alike who was a first-teamer...what was his name?

Reggie "Ludacris" Stovell

eclinchy · December 16, 2007, 05:39:55 PM

Hah. Ronny Turiaf... never heard that one before.

Just one additional point about Colby: shouldn't it be cause for alarm in Waterville to lose to Bowdoin? They were 5-1 against the Polar Bears in the last three years of the Cohen/Farrell era... perhaps that loss is an indicator that the two teams have been moving in opposite directions. The Polar Bears should be decent this year... Hippert just keeps getting better.

NY hoopster · December 16, 2007, 06:02:06 PM

eclinchy;

Its so hard to argue against a "luck" analysis of basketball, rather than results. Last year Colby wins its last 3 games on the road, but they could have lost them but for stars aligning and good luck? Why not pull apart, last shot by last shot, every game won/lost by competitors during each game, late or early in the season?

Panic over a 3 point loss? Not by your method of analysis, since Colby failed to go into OT on a last seconds
missed 3 by their best shooter. My analysis is that a loss is a loss, even after 6 wins, and its not good, but certainly not a predictor of a 3-6 season needed to drop it to the group it was listed with. Colby played a terrible first half and then came back to make it close.

formerbant10 · December 16, 2007, 06:06:04 PM

Who are you predicting Colby will beat to get above 3-6?