MBB: NESCAC

[broke_ya_ankles]

trinty is getting themselves a game from clark right now leading by only 3 at half time 43-40, i know it doesnt directly effect the nescac standings but this would be quite an upset....

[formerbant10]

Up 14 with 5 minutes left.  Very balanced scoring for the Bants

[Pat Coleman]

Daoustian beat me to it (was hoping I'd get those final women's poll votes in) but yes.

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[a big fan]

Omissions, yes, but not omissions without consideration. I dont think any of those players stand much of chance of making all-nescac. if i wanted to include every good player in the nescac, the list of omissions would have been a lot longer than the ones you site.

As for Rose, he is shooting a .365 clip from the field, and yet shoots enough to be the second leading scorer on the team. To give you an idea of how bad that is, there is not a single player on amherst who shoots worse than 40% from the field, and only Pat Sullivan on your Jumbos team has a worse shooting % than Rose, and he has the good sense not to shoot very much. Rose also shoots under 70% from the line and is not a particurally good rebounder. He is also a terrible defender, although this is not entirely his fault, as he plays out of position at the 4. Yet, despite all of this, some people not only seem to think he is good, but a contender for an all-conference spot.

In fact, Colby, Bowdoin, Bates, and CC all do not have a single player with more than 50 shots with a fg% as bad as Rose's.

The only players in the entire NESCAC with a significant # of shots (again, over 50) with a worse shooting % than rose are:

Andrew Harris, Pat Hasiuk, Ian Fels, Kevin Scura, Jeremy Kaminer.

By that logic, Rose barely misses 1st team All-Cant-Shoot-Straight. And yet, he takes more shots than anyone else on his team, and the 5th most of anyone in the NESCAC (Pierce, Wholey, Choice, Taylor--all of whom shoot at least .430)

Is that a persuasive arguement?

This was a persuasive arguement before 1987 (before there was a 3 point shot).   However your arguement does not recognize the reward the game gives to the 3 point shot. 

Would you rather have a 3 point shooter who averages 36% take more shots in a game or an inside the arc player averaging 52% take more shots?   ( The 3 point shooter will score 108 points on 100 shots.  The 52% shooter will score 104 points on 100 shots).

If you take into account the effect of the three point shot and look at scoring efficiency of some of the players mentioned the raw shooting pecentage is a very weak arguement.  (stats as of this morning):

245 points on 261 shots -  93.9 points/100 shots        (Adam Choice)
217 points on 236 shots -  91.9 points/100 shots        (Robert Taylor)
225 points on 231 shots -  97.4 points/100 shots        (Bryan Wholey)
208 points on 215 shots -  96.7 points/100 shots        (Chris Rose)
163 points on 167 shots -  97.6 points/100 shots        (Andrew Harris)



When it comes to putting points on the scoreboard, Chris Rose is certainly as proficent as some of the other players that have been mentioned for all conference honors. 

[eclinchy]

POY: Olson (if you vote amherst, you vote olson, so no walters)

POW awards race:
Walters: 2
Olson: 0

Good weekend, Fletch...

[fpc85]

POY: Olson (if you vote amherst, you vote olson, so no walters)

POW awards race:
Walters: 2
Olson: 0

Good weekend, Fletch...

Fletch and Andrew may split the amherst votes...if that happens neither wins...although i dont think either cares.
on another note, big game tonight vs. RIC...what is the scouting report on RIC?

[backinmyday]

First time poster and old time alum of the "camp" as they now call it, Martin scored his 1000th against Colby the other night.  For all the talk about all nescac that has been going on, it seems like omitting a kid that is consistent every night for 16 points and 7 boards not to mention having to face double and triple teams every time he touches the ball seems a bit much...Perhaps he learned from a previous scoring forward at Trinity who scored a lot of points that you dont always need to force shots, but can pass out and even off the scoring balance

[newkidontheblock]

Fletch and Andrew may split the amherst votes...if that happens neither wins...although i dont think either cares.

I think that Walters has definitely put up some of the better numbers, but it seems that the team just can't function without Olson. Even when he isn't scoring he is helping the team in other ways, and provides something that no one else on the team can. If Walters on the other hand has an off night, there are many other players, like Jones or Baskauskas even Hopkins, who can replace his numbers. Just a thought, but I think both should be in the running for POY.

[fpc85]

Fletch and Andrew may split the amherst votes...if that happens neither wins...although i dont think either cares.

I think that Walters has definitely put up some of the better numbers, but it seems that the team just can't function without Olson. Even when he isn't scoring he is helping the team in other ways, and provides something that no one else on the team can. If Walters on the other hand has an off night, there are many other players, like Jones or Baskauskas even Hopkins, who can replace his numbers. Just a thought, but I think both should be in the running for POY.

nkotb, i agree andrew is the hub of the team....as i said before i think it may matter more to people outside the team who wins....the guys just want to win....they are about the most humble players i have ever been around...confident but very easy going and very willing to deflect credit. aside from the obvious ability of the team this quality makes them truly special. they willing share the ball and success with others.

[walzy31]

Amherst 53
Rhode Island Coll 31
Half Time

Jones 7-9 (6-6 3pt) for 22pts
Walters 6-8 for 14 and 5
Olson 7A  1TO

[walzy31]

Amherst 97
Rhode Islan Coll. 63

Jones 30 and 4
Walters 26 and 8
Olson 13 assists
Goldsmith 9 and 7

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[Pat Coleman]

Middlebury is handling Plattsburgh State so far.

[JeffRookie2]

Middlebury is handling Plattsburgh State so far.

not anymore... midd on the verge of blowing a 17 point halftime lead. they trail by 1 with a minute to play

[Pat Coleman]

Yep, and a 22-point second half lead.

[JeffRookie2]

Midd loses by 4... too bad, would have been a good win for the NESCAC