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[JQV]

Not overly comical. Perhaps if it were done better.

I know my graphics skills are pretty weak but, what do you expect, I didn't go to a Landmark school...zing.

[ColonelJohn4Life]

If Bob were really trying to keep a secret about his identity, don't you think he'd employ a user name other than BZiadie?  Pffft, football fans.  Welcome to a higher level of discourse, boys.

For the record, no school was mentioned, no name was mentioned.  THAT would be keeping a secret about identity.  It would have been just as easy to let the public around here know who he was.  It WAS in a newspaper for Chrissake.  But that's not professional.  Of course, the last thing we need is another Al Callejas incident.

One need only read the local papers to know exactly how well the Wilkes-Barre SIDs do their job.  I can't think of one time where one sport at King's or Wilkes didn't have their score in the paper in the following day.

That said, you can't help the remaining MAC schools from feeling like the Geico Caveman.  Being jilted on the basis of "like-minded academics"?  C'mon...

[kate]

For now until the start of the season, we should be focusing on the two great schools coming to the MAC this fall - Arcadia (Beaver)  & Manhattanville - i, for one sure hope they have posters!  O.K., Scranton's posters will be missed by me, Drew had a couple, & the other three were non-existant almost, so not much to miss there.  Hopefully they'll find their new "sisters", CUA, Goucher, & Merchant Marine fascinating.  Next fall we look forward to welcoming Alvernia, Eastern, & Misericordia.  The season can't start soon enough !!!

[maxpower]

One need only read the local papers to know exactly how well the Wilkes-Barre SIDs do their job.

One need only read Posting Up to know exactly how poorly they do it, too.

It WAS in a newspaper for Chrissake.

"I wonder if he couldn't get into RPI and had to 'settle' on a Landmark School!" does not sound like something one would read in the daily news. Nor does making fun of the kid's high school GPA. Unless you are familiar with Bob Matthews' column. It sounds frighteningly immature, especially for someone whose JOB IT IS TO REPRESENT HIS SCHOOL TO THE MEDIA.

I can't think of one time where one sport at King's or Wilkes didn't have their score in the paper in the following day.

WOOOOWWWWWWW!!!!! You can tell how great the SIDs are, by the fact that they do the bare minimum for their job, every day. Here's a freakin' medal:

[NEPAFAN]

CJ just got owned.

[kate]

CJ hardly needs defending, but Maxpower, whoever you are, you haven't been through the wars of this site (tho we're still all buds),  no one "owns" anyone, so Happy Trails on the Landmark!

[ColonelJohn4Life]

Maxpower,
While I dig the name, and the Homer Simpson reference... you're off the cynicism deep end, and just looking for a reason to be critical.  You're using examples the way a drunk uses a lightpost, for support rather than illumination.

My favorite Bob story:
Last weekend of February / first weekend of March of '03, King's College was fortunate enough to host both the men's and women's MAC-F conference championship games.  Not enough?  Oh yeah, they also co-hosted the national D-3 wrestling tournament at the Wachovia Arena.  Having all 3 events be successful, ehh, must have been an accident, right?

NepaFan,
Didn't we banish you to some Landfill board yet? 

[maxpower]

Not just looking for a reason to be critical, it just touches a nerve from me having come from perhaps the most professional Sports Info Dept. in DIII (at least the part people saw, cough cough jose). Not even our students would have thought of posting while still working there, it's just bush league. When others don't act the same way, not only is it annoying, it keeps US from doing our job well. Fran Elia of Cortland is the exception; nothing he puts on this board is something he wouldn't also send to a media outlet.

And in my experience (feel free to correct me if I seem out of line): All three events successfully covered = kudos SI department. All three events successfully exectued = kudos Athletic Department.

[maxpower]

One more thing: it just strikes me as odd that anyone would find these actions defensible. I'm not going to rat this guy out because that's not my style, but if the AD got ahold of that post and SERIOUS discipline was not handed down, I would be surprised. Can you imagine being an AD and having your department represented by a man ridiculing a fresman from another school? Is anyone actually saying this is defensible? There is a huge difference between a sports fan doing this and an SID doing this. I'm not trying to extend the argument and I won't post after this (maybe), just honestly trying to gauge what is going on.

[JQV]

(at least the part people saw, cough cough jose)

This should take care of that cough Max.

Just bill it to 899.

[bziadie]

Wow, I did not think that big a ruckus would come  of the post.  The intent was to support earlier posts that have discussed departing schools giving student-athletes a break and admitting them when they may not have been admitted if they were not student-athletes. For any supporters of these schools to think that this does not happen is pure ignorance.  

Over the years there have been many posters who have mentioned players and schools by name in discussing academics but that is OK?  I never mentioned a name, a sport, a gender, or a school, unlike a lot of other people who are far more specific. So to say I sold out an 18-year old kid is laughable since none of the above info was ever mentioned.

And personally, I have never said there was anything wrong with giving a kid a break.......just be up front about it and stop pretending to be holier than thou. There are tons of kids out there who have been given a chance and have prospered.

NEPA, and just to clear the air it was not Scranton, even though seem to believe that is the school I was referring to.........

I also find it pretty hypocritical that so many of you are free to share your opinions and are very often times negative.   There are tons instances where lies, rumor, or innuendo about any number of schools are posted on this site and so many of you seem to thrive on it.  Yet someone who happens to be aligned with a school does not have the same right. My opinions are my own and I do not represent anyone should I post about any subject.  There is this little thing called Freedom of Speech. Do not make the mistake of thinking I am speaking on behalf of anyone.

Not to mention the number of posts from departing school supporters taking shots of their own at the remaining schools not being up to snuff academically.  Nice double-standard.

Perhaps I should be like most of you and register under a phony name since there are clearly a lot of people who do not want people to know where their opinions truly come for.

Pat, perhaps you should consider changing the registration format so that people need to include their proper name as their user name. I wonder how many of you would continue to post.

[JQV]

I also find it pretty hypocritical that so many of you are free to share your opinions and are very often times negative.   There are tons instances where lies, rumor, or innuendo about any number of schools are posted on this site and so many of you seem to thrive on it.  Yet someone who happens to be aligned with a school does not have the same right. My opinions are my own and I do not represent anyone should I post about any subject.  There is this little thing called Freedom of Speech. Do not make the mistake of thinking I am speaking on behalf of anyone.

Being employed as a school's official spokesman is different than just happening to be aligned with it.  I think it is fair to assume that a statement from an entity's official spokesman is on behalf of that entity, especially when that statement surrounds the very subject upon which the spokesman is empowered to speak, unless a specific disclaimer, such as your most recent post, is given. 

Before you head down to Boston and throw a bunch of tea into the harbor to protect your rights on Post Patterns, I would check again who the First Amendment imposes limits on.  I am quite sure Pat Coleman, d3sports.com, and E8Nation are not limited by the US Constitution in any way.

Pat, perhaps you should consider changing the registration format so that people need to include a proper name as their user name.

No need for that, at least until Max and Superman find gainful employment that distract them from their sleuthing duties.

[bziadie]

High Chairman Jose,

Sorry to inform you but I am not the school's or department's official spokesperson.  Even in regard to the very subject of which is being discussed.  No outside entity has ever asked me for any official opinion on this. You clearly give me far too much power.  Did you see any school logo posted as an avatar under my user name, or my position listed anywhere to indicate I am representing anyone or anything other than myself?   No.    You want a disclaimer?  I just gave one in the last post. My opinions are my own and have never been anyone else's. Even during positive posts.

[Pat Coleman]

It's probably wise to include that disclaimer in your profile, then. The Sports Information Director is indeed seen as the spokesman for the athletic department, whether you claim to be or not.

I always thought SIDs were the department's spokesperson. I know I was when I was an SID.

I wouldn't have any way of confirming people's identity -- I'm sure you know that. And I doubt that any of the people who injected themselves into this discussion would be dissuaded by such a requirement.

[maxpower]

I caused a similar ruckus (surprise!) when a bunch of school journalists showed up at a BBall game and made asses of themselves. When I called them out, they defended themselves by saying they were "off-duty". One of their bosses responded by saying it disturbed him that any journalist would consider himself ever "off-duty", especially when so close to the journalist's main point of coverage. If Tony Snow posted some comment like yours on a message board, and then said "it's not my job to represent the white house when I'm not in front of the mic", he'd be out on his ass faster than you could say "cover-up." That's an extreme example, but the principle is the same. Some jobs preclude the opportunity for the holder to just say whatever his opinion is. Whether or not you have a school logo as an avatar, the name "Bob Ziadie" means King's College in bright flashing lights to EVERYONE who knows you are the SID. You have to live with that.

Your posts leave me with a lot of questions. If you're not your department's official spokesperson, who is? (To quote Bobby Knight to a reporter: "Only two people will tell you I won't be here; one is me, one is our SID. Who the f*%# told you I wouldn't be here?") Are you telling me the media goes to someone else besides the SID for information? Then maybe the Col. was right and just getting the scores to the paper every day IS the bulk of your work.

My next question is in regards to my previous post. If, indeed, your AD saw all that went on here, would he really pass it off as your own opinion and you being off-duty? Or would he be upset that myself, Jose, and many others now view the King's SI department as somewhat bush league? If you have nothing to be ashamed of, why remove the post, as it has been? This is the most interesting part to me: what does/would your boss think? Are you sure you know the answer?

It is not a "double-standard" for me to throw the Princeton review at you. You made fun of, whether you like it or not, a certain school for it's academic deficiency when compared to RPI. When I found out YOUR school is also lacking compared to RPI, that seemed comical to me. I personally wouldn't make fun of a student's school choice (except Cortland, obviously), I was merely giving you what is known as a "taste of your own medicine." What you felt was probably the same of what that school's SID would have felt had you mentioned the name of the school. That you didn't is immaterial; the point is that the derision was there. In case you forgot, this is what it said:

"Could it be that the one brother did not get into RPI and had to settle on a Landmark school?"

The verb "settle" is not a positive verb.

My next question is why you think us registering our names would prevent us from posting. Those who know us best on the boards know our names, and someone willing to do a little research (or, in most cases, e-mail and ask us) would find out who we all are pretty quickly. The difference is that none of us are paid to represent our school, as EVERY EMPLOYEE IS, official spokesperson or not.


EDIT- I see Pat has already refuted some points far more succinctly than myself. Kudos.