MBB: American Southwest Conference

[chocsrock34]

the chocs are ranked nationally as #8 and got a #1 seed and regional hosting berth. with a record of 29-1 they won the ASC tournament as expected. the talent they potray is top in the nation as they work together as a team with high hopes of becoming NCAA champions.

Topics are open now to anyone who like to talk about this top notch team and its players

[Ralph Turner]

Jared Rosenbaum gives his assessment of the Great Lakes bracket at the end of the second hour on the Mar 7th Hoopsville webcast!

Witt has 2 very talented big men.  Hope has good guards.  He doesn't say much about Transy or the Chocs!

Go Choctaws!

[chocfan0506]

knight, this MC is much different than last year's team.  I thought that the addition of Timothy Broomfield was big!

I stated earlier that the critical statistic will be 28 minutes of playing time for Tyler Winford.  The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..

Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats.  But when u have a team that blowing every team out by 20 points and 22 players to share 40 mins of playing time, the stats have a tendency to be rather misleading. Players like Winford stand out in blowout games all the time.  But if u carefully examine the close games ie.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, Texas-Tyler, ETBU u will find that Winford didnt excell in on any area of the court.  Not to down Winford, I think he is a very talented athlete, I just think u r giving him way too much credit for the efforts of the entire team.  MC boasts a full second stream many players some third and even one or two on the fourth stream line-up that could very well be starting on many other teams in DIII.  The range of talent on MC's team is so diverse that there is not one single player that adverages double figures (not even Winford anymore)!  However, they still keep blowing these teams out!  MC's stregnth is that the whole team is solid.  One or two players could never take the credit for that!  Stats can never define true hussle!  Thats what the CHOCTAWS do...they hussle!

[Ralph Turner]

knight, this MC is much different than last year's team.  I thought that the addition of Timothy Broomfield was big!

I stated earlier that the critical statistic will be 28 minutes of playing time for Tyler Winford.  The Midwest/Great Lakes hates the up-tempo style of play.  Look at the ridicule that is foisted upon teams that play up-tempo (Nolan Richardson style) or Grinnell's systems.

Well, a strong inside neutralizing presence will permit the up-tempo to succeed.  However, if MissColl needs to handle a slower pace, then that falls on Winford's shoulders to neutralize the inside-out game..

Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats.  But when u have a team that blowing every team out by 20 points and 22 players to share 40 mins of playing time, the stats have a tendency to be rather misleading. Players like Winford stand out in blowout games all the time.  But if u carefully examine the close games ie.  Mary-Hardin Baylor, Texas-Tyler, ETBU u will find that Winford didnt excell in on any area of the court.  Not to down Winford, I think he is a very talented athlete, I just think u r giving him way too much credit for the efforts of the entire team.  MC boasts a full second stream many players some third and even one or two on the fourth stream line-up that could very well be starting on many other teams in DIII.  The range of talent on MC's team is so diverse that there is not one single player that adverages double figures (not even Winford anymore)!  However, they still keep blowing these teams out!  MC's stregnth is that the whole team is solid.  One or two players could never take the credit for that!  Stats can never define true hussle!  Thats what the CHOCTAWS do...they hussle!

We find out on Friday night. 

[Pat Coleman]

Obviously u dont actually watch many of MC's games...seems to me like most of ur critiques are based upon the stats. 

Y did u delete ur username? Afraid people would find out who u r?

[Ralph Turner]

Chocfan, I felt I owed you a more complete answer.

Pat Coleman has posted an interesting note concerning your username.

Transy may not be the hardest challenge you will face.  It is just the most important game you are playing,  the next one.

Transy has played the same 5 starters: Bain, Howard, Pendleton, Searle and Finke.  Verax has 16 minutes; everyone else less than 10.  Their starters look like very savvy players.  If they were taller and quicker, they would be playing Big Ten.... but they are smart enough tho'.

http://www.transy.edu/pages/athletics/m_basketball/06seasonbox.htm

I think that your transition game and up-tempo pace will wear out Transy.  It may be a usual MC game, pull away by the 30th minute.

Joey Searle (6' 6" 185 lbs) and Matt Finke (6'5" 205) are good inside players who can shoot the 3FG.  Bain and Howard have 3FG pg averages of  40.9% and 34.4%.

Those players are comparable to the best in the ASC, like UT-D's Jay Swafford, UT-T's Brandon Weasby or TLU's Will Hudson, CUA's Joel McDonald. McM's Elijah Bryant or SRSU's Sidney Hooper, except they have 2 of them on the same team.  Even Searle and Finke can hit the 3FG's at 37.7 and 35.4, respectively.  They hit the 3FG better than anyone in the ASC.

http://www.americansouthwestconf.org/stats-menbasketball/confldrs.htm

MC's uptempo style may work against Transy, but I am especially concerned about Witt or Hope, both of which seem to be much better than Transy, and everyone of us ASC fans want MC to do very well.  As I listened to Hoopsville from the archives tonight, only Pat Cummings had MC winning this bracket.  It will be against the real powers, such as Witt or Hope, where the inside game needs to establish itself.  My usual impression is that we don't play physical inside ball in the ASC, like McM's Travis Tennison or TLU's Tommy Stolhandske, from 2005.  That is where we will need tough inside play, even plays that may not show up in the stat box.

We have something to show the country.  I think that MC has the best draw since SRSU in 2004 or McMurry in 2000, and definitely better than anything that MC has seen.  Good luck, Coach Lofton and the Chocs!

[NCChoctaw]

On the off chance that chocfan0506 is an alum...I would humbly offer some mild corrections:

1.  First string, second string, ect....not stream.
2.  averages, not adverages.
3.  hustle, not hussle.
4.  strength, not stregnth.


Sorry to wander off the topic a bit, but I would certainly want to avoid the image that MC is a degree factory with a good basketball team. 

[kid nice]

since when did geography and economics become the same thing.

[Ralph Turner]

since when did geography and economics become the same thing.

when the NCAA began playing for all of the expenses to run the tournament.

[monsoon]

since when did geography and economics become the same thing.

The point is that the one affects the other.  Geography becomes such a big deal because of the economics involved - over 500 miles and you fly, and since the NCAA doesn't want to pay for that, they usually do everything possible to keep as many teams within 500 miles from home as they can.

The geography is that MC is isolated from Hope/Witt/Transy, who are all within 500 miles of each other.  Hence, we're not in Clinton because the Economics dictate that it's a whole lot cheaper to fly the Choctaws north than it is to fly the Dutchmen, Tigers, and Pioneers south.

When it comes to the D3 Tourney - geography and economics are the same thing.

[millie]

if the NCAA is so interested in geography and economics...why is it in D1 last year or the year before did they send LSU to oregon and UCONN got to stay in Conn the the whole tourney...both teams were in the top 5...sorry guys they can tell you it is about cost etc...i dont't thinks so..i have to question the motive behind this nonsense

[Ralph Turner]

Millie, the D1 Television March Madness TV contract is where D3 got the money to expand the tourneys in all D3 sports...football from 28 to 32, men's hoops from 48 to 59, women's from around 53 to 63 and baseball, volleyball, softball, soccer, field hockey, etc.

IMHO, LSU to UCONN makes "TV-ratings" sense.

[millie]

ralph...i am surley NOT a LSU fan but come on Oregon?

[Ralph Turner]

My bad, I misread the post!

Nevertheless, the money from D1 is trickling to D3!

[kid nice]

ok good explanation, but my point was does the NCAA not make enough money to be able to fly 3 teams instead of 1. I understand all of this i guess i am just being a bit one-sided. It just does not reward the number one seed no matter who it might be.