MBB: American Southwest Conference

#1ascfanman · February 21, 2009, 08:54:26 AM

I could not bring myself to pick on Thursday this being LC's and Josh's last game. Josh, you have been a great player to keep up with and you have always made LC proud. I wish you the best of luck in the future in whatever it is you do. I hope you give playing overseas a try. Thanks for you hard work.

I guess I will pick for the last day. This is a huge day considering many schools seasons rest on today.

TLU over HSU
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!
CUA over Sul Ross
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.
UMHB over HPU
UT-D over LeT.

58-33 on the season

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 09:54:58 AM

Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 21, 2009, 08:54:26 AM
I could not bring myself to pick on Thursday this being LC's and Josh's last game. Josh, you have been a great player to keep up with and you have always made LC proud. I wish you the best of luck in the future in whatever it is you do. I hope you give playing overseas a try. Thanks for you hard work.

I guess I will pick for the last day. This is a huge day considering many schools seasons rest on today.

TLU over HSU
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!
CUA over Sul Ross
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.
UMHB over HPU
UT-D over LeT.

58-33 on the season

Just curious...

What would your record have been this year if you had not picked any LaCollege games? Please take those games out of your total and re-tally the numbers.

ASCfan237 · February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM

POY
Bryan Johnson - MC
--Best player in the conference
2. Dale Vanwright- close second

Newcomer
Dale Vanwright - LETU

Defensive POY
Josh Chambers - ETBU_ keeps players from even entering the lane.

Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.)

1st Team
Dale Vanwright - LETU
Bryan Johnson - MC
Josh Johnson - LC
Anthony Reese - UTT
Temaine Wright - UTD (only because they have a great record. They are well rounded so it is hard to put him in here over the other two wings but I think he is more important).

2nd Team
Josh Chambers - ETBU
Hakeem Kareem - UTT
Chris Williams - UO
JJ Rockmore - LETU
Ernie Lowry - UTD

Honorable Mention
Jacob Turnipseed - ETBU
Jeremiah Pojah - ETBU
Clarence Jeffery - MC
Jeremy Clark - UO
Marlon Hill- UTT
Dusty Evers - LETU

Bearkat00 · February 21, 2009, 04:33:21 PM

Quote from: ASCfan237 on February 21, 2009, 11:20:44 AM
Coach
Terry Butterfield - UTD- Not very talented but run their stuff to perfection
(Sidenote: Bob Davis - LETU- does not deserve this award. He underachieved last year and did not make the playoffs and this year his team is stacked. He should win every game by 20 with the likes of Evers, Vanwright, Smith, and Rockmore. I am pretty sure if any other team in the conference had Vanwright they would be dominating too.)

I definitley see your arguement, but in his defense, I don't think you are giving enough credit to how good our league is to even consider anyone winning games by 20 points. If that were the arguement every year, MC wouldn't even get any consideration. Please also consider that Coach Davis RECRUITED these studs and convienced them to come to the most expensive school in the conference.

Last year, LETU did underachieve, but we also lost our starting PG - which we see can be a very important aspect of the game (look at McM)

So with that being saidm while I see your argument, let's not just rule him out yet :-)

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 06:19:51 PM

McMurry 97 SU 78
UT-D beat LeTU.
Tourneys are at UT-Dallas for the men and McMurry for the women.

McM Blue Devil · February 21, 2009, 07:12:02 PM

Jmnaseum,

I guess your prediction about the McM slide did not turn out the way you wanted huh?

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 07:20:08 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 04:25:14 PM
Okay, ETBU fans...

If you don't make the tournament, please consider whether crossover games should count towards the divisional standings and the tourney.

Team...... Conference... West... East...
UTD 13-3 7-1 6-2
LeTU 12-4 7-1 5-3
MissColl 11-5 5-3 6-2
UTT 9-7 7-1 2-6
ETBU 8-8 3-5 5-3
UOz 8-8 5-3 3-5
LaColl 2-14 1-7 1-7

Crossover games counted towards the tourney...revisited!

Team......	Conference...	West...	East...
UTD	16-4	7-1	9-3
LeTU	14-6	7-1	7-5
MissColl	14-6	5-3	9-3
UTT	12-8	7-1	5-7
ETBU	11-9	3-5	8-4
UOz	8-12	5-3	3-9
LaColl	2-18	1-7	1-11

ETBU is in if only ASC-East division games count.

MissColl would have three losses in East Division play (ETBU, UT-D, UT-T)
UT-D would have three losses in East Division play (UOz, MissColl, at ETBU).

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 08:05:12 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2009, 07:55:25 PM
ASC-West Crossover Game Record

Team............. W/L....... Key Outcome + Losses added
McM 6-1 Lost at UTT 62-66
CTX 4-3 Lost to UTD; lost at LeTU, MissColl. Beat LaColl 85-74, beat UTT 98-83
UMHB 3-4 Lost to UTD, UTT; lost at LeTU, MissColl
HSU 2-5 Lost at UT-T, at LeTU, atETBU, Lost to UOz, UTD
HPU 2-5 Lost to LeTU, ETBU; lost at UOz, at UTD, at UTT
SRSU 2-5 Loss to MissColl, LeTU; loss at UTT, UOz, UTD
TLU 2-5 Lost to UTT, LeTU; lost at MC, at UTD, at UOz
Schreiner 0-7 Lost to UTT, LeTU, ETBU; Lost at LC, MC, UOz, UTD

ASC-East Crossover Game Record

Team............. W/L....... Key Outcome
UTD 7-1 Loss at McM 61-63
LeTU 7-1 Loss at McM 63-65
UTT 7-1 Loss at CUA 83-98
UOzarks 5-3 Loss at CUA 87-91, at UMHB 69-83, at McM 79-82
MissColl 5-3 Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
ETBU 3-5 Beat HPU, HSU, Schreiner
LaColl 1-7 Beat Schreiner

If Crossover games did not count towards the ASC-West title...

Team.........	W/L East..	W/L West..	Overall
McM	6-1	11-3	17-4
UMHB	3-4	13-1	16-5
CTX	4-3	5-9	9-12
SRSU	2-5	6-8	8-13*
HSU	2-5	6-8	8-13
HPU	2-5	5-9	7-14
TLU	2-5	4-10	6-15
Schreiner	0-7	6-8	6-15

*SRSU is the #4 seed by virtue of its win over McMurry.

UMHB wins the West.

I still believe that that is a bad rule and I hope that it is changed for next year. If we were not counting East Region games, then late-developing Schreiner would be the 4th seed by virtue of their win over UMHB.

CTX is knocked out of the playoffs under this scenario. The travel inequities are just not fair in this conference.

Don't count the Crossover Games towards the Divisional title!

etbualum · February 21, 2009, 09:27:53 PM

ralph

you are preaching to the choir. Etbu won 8 of the last 11 or something like that, but the hole we dug with early losses was too much.

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 09:30:12 PM

Quote from: etbualum on February 21, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
ralph

you are preaching to the choir. Etbu won 8 of the last 11 or something like that, but the hole we dug with early losses was too much.

Precisely!

Maybe we can get that changed next year!

BTW, are you a bass or a tenor?

Ralph Turner · February 21, 2009, 10:08:29 PM

This year's tourney has another chance for men's and women's teams to share the throne room.

The teams in bold are those in which both the men's and women's teams have won a divisional crown or a share of the crown. Since the beginning of divisional play, no team has won both Men's and Women's ASC Conference titles.

Year	ASC Champion	East Division	West Division	NCAA Championship
1997	Austin College Howard Payne McMurry	*	*	*
1998	Mississippi College	*	*	*
1999	Mississippi College	Mississippi College	McMurry	Mississippi College
2000	McMurry	Mississippi College	McMurry	McMurry (Sectional final)
2001	McMurry	Mississippi College	McMurry	McMurry (Sectional)
2002	Mississippi College	Mississippi College	McMurry	Mississippi College
2003	Mississippi College	East Texas Baptist	Sul Ross State	Mississippi College
2004	Sul Ross State	Mississippi College Texas-Dallas	Sul Ross State	Sul Ross State (Sectional)
2005	Texas-Dallas	Mississippi College	Hardin-Simmons McMurry Sul Ross State	Mississippi College Texas-Dallas
2006	Mississippi College	Mississippi College	Howard Payne	Mississippi College (Sectional)
2007	Mississippi College	Mississippi College	Mary Hardin-Baylor	Mississippi College (Sectional) Mary Hardin-Baylor (First Round)
2008	Mary Hardin-Baylor	Mississippi College	Mary Hardin-Baylor	Mary Hardin-Baylor (Second Round)
2009	*	Texas-Dallas	McMurry	*

Year	ASC Champion	East Division	West Division	NCAA Championship
1997	Austin College Ozarks	*	*	*
1998	Austin College Hardin-Simmons Mississippi College	*	*	*
1999	Hardin-Simmons	Austin College	Hardin-Simmons	Austin College (Second Round) Hardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2000	Hardin-Simmons	East Texas Baptist Mississippi College	Hardin-Simmons McMurry	Hardin-Simmons (Sectional final) McMurry (Sectional)
2001	Hardin-Simmons	Mississippi College	Hardin-Simmons	Hardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2002	Hardin-Simmons	Ozarks East Texas Baptist	Hardin-Simmons	Hardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2003	Hardin-Simmons	Mississippi College	Hardin-Simmons	Hardin-Simmons (Sectional)
2004	Hardin-Simmons	Mississippi College	Hardin-Simmons	Hardin-Simmons (Sectional final)
2005	Howard Payne	Texas-Tyler	Hardin-Simmons	Howard Payne (First Round)
2006	McMurry	Mississippi College Texas-Tyler	McMurry	Hardin-Simmons (Final Four) Howard Payne (Second Round) McMurry (First Round)
2007	Howard Payne	East Texas Baptist	Howard Payne	Howard Payne (Sectional) McMurry (First Round)
2008	Howard Payne	Texas-Tyler	Howard Payne	Howard Payne (National Champion) McMurry (Second Round)
2009	*	Texas-Dallas	McMurry	*

Source: ASC
Corrections appreciated

#1ascfanman · February 22, 2009, 11:29:31 AM

TLU over HSU-Incorrect
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!-Incorrect
CUA over Sul Ross-Correct
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM-Correct
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.-Correct
UMHB over HPU-Correct
UT-D over LeT.-Correct

63-35 on the season. Not bad, Ralph i am not sure exactly but I think I probably would have had about 16 more wins if I had not picked LC. Would have been a pretty good year. I am not an ETBwho fan but if I am themn I am not happy Sul Ross gets in and they don't. I think the conferene should actually be embarrased by this. They might as well just let everyone compete in the tournament if they are going to do it this way.

Predictions for the tournament:

McMurry over Tyler-Could go either way though.
MC over CTX
UMHB over LeT
UT-D over Sul Ross

McM over MC
UMHB over UT-D

McM over UMHB

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2009, 02:45:48 PM

Quote from: #1ascfanman on February 22, 2009, 11:29:31 AM
TLU over HSU-Incorrect
MC over Tyler-This could be an upset waiting to happen, but I can't see them losing three at home!-Incorrect
CUA over Sul Ross-Correct
McMurry over SU-This to could not end well for McM-Correct
ETBU over UO-ETBwho at home and must win.-Correct
UMHB over HPU-Correct
UT-D over LeT.-Correct

63-35 on the season. Not bad, Ralph i am not sure exactly but I think I probably would have had about 16 more wins if I had not picked LC. Would have been a pretty good year. I am not an ETBwho fan but if I am themn I am not happy Sul Ross gets in and they don't. I think the conferene should actually be embarrased by this. They might as well just let everyone compete in the tournament if they are going to do it this way.

Predictions for the tournament:

McMurry over Tyler-Could go either way though.
MC over CTX
UMHB over LeT
UT-D over Sul Ross

McM over MC
UMHB over UT-D

McM over UMHB

81-19! That is about 6 games better than most of the statistical indices do.

Let me look at the SRSU season more closely, and I will get back to you on that.

etbualum · February 22, 2009, 05:05:14 PM

Not sure how mad ETBU fans can be since we lost to SRSU

Ralph Turner · February 22, 2009, 07:18:37 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2009, 02:45:48 PM
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Let me look at the SRSU season more closely, and I will get back to you on that.

Here is what Home Court Advantage/Road Margin means for SRSU...

Team	Road	Home	Swing
HPU	-19	+13	22
UMHB	-14	-3	11
CTX	-12	+5	17
McM	-10	+3	13
HSU	-12	+11	23
SU	-4	+4	8
TLU	-3	+7	10

That is an average of 14.8 ppg in the swing.

SRSU went 6-8 against the West.

Team.............	W/L.......	Key Outcome + Losses added
McM	6-1	Lost at UTT 62-66
CTX	4-3	Lost to UTD; lost at LeTU, MissColl. Beat LaColl 85-74, beat UTT 98-83
UMHB	3-4	Lost to UTD, UTT; lost at LeTU, MissColl
HSU	2-5	Lost at UT-T, at LeTU, atETBU, Lost to UOz, UTD
HPU	2-5	Lost to LeTU, ETBU; lost at UOz, at UTD, at UTT
SRSU	2-5	Loss to MissColl, LeTU; loss at UTT, UOz, UTD
TLU	2-5	Lost to UTT, LeTU; lost at MC, at UTD, at UOz
Schreiner	0-7	Lost to UTT, LeTU, ETBU; Lost at LC, MC, UOz, UTD

Team.............	W/L.......	Key Outcome
UTD	7-1	Loss at McM 61-63
LeTU	7-1	Loss at McM 63-65
UTT	7-1	Loss at CUA 83-98
UOzarks	5-3	Loss at CUA 87-91, at UMHB 69-83, at McM 79-82
MissColl	5-3	Loss at HSU 82-88, at McM 73-84, at HPU 69-71
ETBU	3-5	Beat HPU, HSU, Schreiner
LaColl	1-7	Beat Schreiner