MBB: American Southwest Conference

THE U - TD · February 27, 2011, 05:30:31 PM

I think it is gonna be close. I think we have a good shot though. I hope we can continue our tournament streak.

Congratulations to McMurry.

Ralph Turner · February 27, 2011, 08:57:46 PM

Pat Coleman speculated that McMurry and UTD would play the a Thursday night game.

Who would deserve to host?

McMurry won the Pool A bid and beat UTD in the regular season.

UTD has had the higher regional rankings.

mcmfan · February 28, 2011, 09:29:05 AM

That sounds about right: as a reward for winning the conference, you get to play another conference school...

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 10:13:45 AM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 09:29:05 AM
That sounds about right: as a reward for winning the conference, you get to play another conference school...

The projection on the front page shows McMurry and UMHB playing on Thursday night in Abilene.

In that case, then UMHB jumped UTD by virtue of their wins in the head-to-head.

mcmfan · February 28, 2011, 11:54:48 AM

This is even dumber. Your reward for beating another school is to replay the same school? At least in 2006, the McMurry women played HSU in their sectional, which they had not played in the actual conference tournament.

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 12:08:03 PM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 11:54:48 AM
This is even dumber. Your reward for beating another school is to replay the same school? At least in 2006, the McMurry women played HSU in their sectional, which they had not played in the actual conference tournament.

On Hoopsville last night, Pat Coleman asked the rhetorical question of the value of moving the D-III (by the ASC and the NWC) if we were not getting the appropriate treatment (not his specfific words) due to the geographical proximity (budget and plane flights) constraints that have been in D-III ever since we moved from the NAIA.

At least we don't have to contend with the bidding wars that used to exist about a gate guarantee in the NAIA.

The NCAA does pay for the playoffs, and we don't have to raise money to send the team to the playoffs.

TxFight · February 28, 2011, 01:28:55 PM

the good news is, UMHB, UTD and McMurry...the bad news is....2 of them will be gone after the 2nd round considering UMHB and UTD play round 1 and McMurry gets the winner

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 01:52:06 PM

Quote from: TxFight on February 28, 2011, 01:28:55 PM
the good news is, UMHB, UTD and McMurry...the bad news is....2 of them will be gone after the 2nd round considering UMHB and UTD play round 1 and McMurry gets the winner

For all of the times that the ASC has lost a "50-50" decision, this is a good one. The cards fell just right for strong and regionally ranked UMHB and UTD to edge out Ferrum and EMU in the Regional Rankings, in turn, being on the table when Pool C bids were handed out.
Of course, if the West and East were 2 separate conferences, then this would just be playing your rival in the neighboring conference.

mcmfan · February 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM

I can't say it looks good to me. It's a repeat of the conference tournament, with the same schools duking it out all over again. If McM and UTD and UMHB are good enough to get into the playoffs, they should at least get a chance to take on some other school that they don't usually play. Sure, you attempt the most economical travel arrangements, but it shouldn't be done by making the post-season look just like the regular season. IMHO, there should be a rule preventing a school from being scheduled to play another school in the same conference in the first round of the playoffs.

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 03:56:23 PM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
I can't say it looks good to me. It's a repeat of the conference tournament, with the same schools duking it out all over again. If McM and UTD and UMHB are good enough to get into the playoffs, they should at least get a chance to take on some other school that they don't usually play. Sure, you attempt the most economical travel arrangements, but it shouldn't be done by making the post-season look just like the regular season. IMHO, there should be a rule preventing a school from being scheduled to play another school in the same conference in the first round of the playoffs.

They have the rule, but the "geopraphic proximity" trumps it.

The NCAA doesn't want to pay for the plane flights.
If/when we are in D-II, there will be a different format for us.

In this case this may have allowed the NCAA to take 3 ASC teams instead of 2. Just wondering if that is the case.

Now if the East and West were truly 2 different conferences with separate tourneys, then the UMHB-UTD game would be between teams from different conferences.

mcmfan · February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM

It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa. Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...

THE U - TD · February 28, 2011, 08:27:50 PM

Wow. Never would have guessed we were going to have 3 teams.

They say its hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season... I hope UTD can continue the streak of winning a Tournament game and make it 3 years in a row..

Gray Fox · February 28, 2011, 10:22:57 PM

This is like living on an island full of cannibals.

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 10:26:53 PM

Quote from: mcmfan on February 28, 2011, 05:23:39 PM
It sounds like a rather disingenuous way of making it look like three ASC teams got into the playoffs, whereas in reality it's just one.

I note the women's seedings: HPU is going to California, and Louisiana College to Iowa. Travel expense doesn't seem to have been an issue here...

Here is my post from the Women's "Thank you NCAA tourney board". This deals with the travel issues of the three pairs of "travel orphans".

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2011, 05:30:13 PM
Reviving an old message board...

The committee had three pairs of travel orphans and did a good job of distributing them.

In southern California, Chapman and Oxy.
In the northwest, GFU and L&C.
In the ASC, HPU and Louisiana College.

You needed four flights, regardless, because we did not have "geographic" byes to give.

Chapman (IND) hosts and will play Louisiana College (ASC).
The other game is George Fox (NWC) and Occidental (SCIAC).

The other orphans, Howard Payne (ASC) and Lewis and Clark (NWC) were sent to Coe (Iowa IAC).

HPU lost to Coe at the Holiday tourney at Concordia TX (CTX) in December. If the HPU Lady Jackets can beat a tough L&C team, then they can get the rematch.

Ralph Turner · February 28, 2011, 10:35:38 PM

There were more options in the D2 last season. (64 bids for about 330 teams in D-2).

Tarleton St, Midwestern St from the Lone Star Conference, and Incarnate Word from the Heartland Conference got byes last season. That is 2 AQ's and one at-large. (No Oklahoma member of the Lone Star Conference earned a bid.)

(In D2, the only sports with AQ bids from conference winners are Volleyball, M&W Basketball, Baseball and Softball. Football, M&W Soccer, M&W Tennis, M&W Golf do not.)