MBB: American Southwest Conference

[gccfan]

who did etbu play?  that was a huge win for tyler considering the season they are having. never thought i would say that about beating letu, no offense.

ETBU beat UT-Dallas on the road... Kid Nice, I was thinking the same thing about UT-Tyler and wondering when was the last time someone said beating LETU was a good win.  I hate for us to lose, but I guess statements like that mean we are moving in the right direction.

[finnman]

It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

[hoopstar]

It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Now I would agree with you on MCM not being as good as their 2001 team. But I dont know about MC. You should ask Mary Hardin Baylor that question

[finnman]

I did not get to go to the game or listen tonight.  How did the Indians look?  I saw that they barely won.  Also, how did Moreno look?  I saw he only played about 4 min.

[Ralph Turner]

The Daily Dose is asking for contributions about old gyms.

Of the gyms that I have seen, the Mayborn Center (UMHB),  Ornelas (UT-T) and the Gallego (SRSU) are the newest.  UT-D's is recent.  MC's Golden Dome (AE Wood Coliseum), HSU's Mabee Complex and McMurry's Kimbrell Arena are not ancient.  (McMurry's current gym opened my senior year in college.)  The only other facility still in operation in which I watched a McMurry game when I was in college is the "Mausoleum".   I first heard HPU's Brownwood Coliseum called that by my late father, 37 years ago.    I watched NAIA McMurry play Stedman Graham (Mr Oprah Winfrey) and D-1 HSU, in the Taylor County Coliseum.

What about other "old gyms" in the conference?

[balls a dunkin]

It's time I get into the action again this year.  I know this has been talked about before, but here is my biggest wish for the year in the ASC...that someone beats MC in the conference tourney, and two teams get into the dance.  Two teams with a shot are much better than one.  And yes, I want that other team to be McM. 

On another note, I saw MC play McM and MC was clearly the better team.  McM does not have the post dominance that they had when they were winning conference championships.  They have always had some good athletes and some great teams in the past, but I think they are going to have to find a big man to  compliment some of the up and coming players they have right now.  I'm sure it's hard to find one of those players because of the chance that some of those players have to play DII or DI ball.  I've seen them play 3 times this year, and they are definitely better than last year, and they seem to be having alot more fun this year.  I think things are going back into the right direction...towards championships.  And thank God we don't have to listen to all the yelling again on the bench.  It wore me out going to those games last year.

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

but this is 2007, and the Chocs are doing pretty good.

[balls a dunkin]

does anybody know the scores to the UTD game or the ETBU game?

[etbualum]

Tyler beat etbu 66-62

Bad all the way around for ETBU.  ETBU was up by 10 at the break.  At 65-62 with 25 seconds left Isom hit a short jumper and the underneath official called a foul.  He was overtuned by the official near half court and it was ruled a charge.  That pretty much ended it.

[CUAfan]

CUA 85, Sul Ross 62.

[Pat Coleman]

Guess a little losing streak and UTD shuts down its web site.

[utdcomet]

Don't know why a stories on this week's games aren't posted.  UTD beat LeTourneau 54-40 Saturday afternoon.  Great defensive performance by the Comets.  Still struggling on the offensive end.  UT-Tyler comes calling Monday night.

[golden_dome]

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Finnman,
   I respect your opinion regarding this year's MC team, but I saw those MC and McMurry teams around 2000 and I don't think this year's team takes a back seat. You could make a very good argument that last year's MC team is actually the best team this conference has produced and future teams are chasing them. This year's team definitely has the talent to challenge that but they will have to prove it on the court. I think the ASC is better than it has ever been top to bottom making this season that much more impressive.

[Ralph Turner]

Finally, I've seen most of the teams play since 1990.  More teams are alot better and of more quality.  There is not really any easy games especially on the road.  But none of these teams are as dominant as some of the HPU and McM teams of the 90's and the McM and MC teams of around 2000-2001.  No offense to MC this year, but I've seen them play this year and they are not as good as the MC and McM around 2000-2001.

Good luck to the Indians this weekend and SU and TLU when they play across town. HA!

Finnman,
   I respect your opinion regarding this year's MC team, but I saw those MC and McMurry teams around 2000 and I don't think this year's team takes a back seat. You could make a very good argument that last year's MC team is actually the best team this conference has produced and future teams are chasing them. This year's team definitely has the talent to challenge that but they will have to prove it on the court. I think the ASC is better than it has ever been top to bottom making this season that much more impressive.

Chris, I must respectfully disagree with the assessment of All-Time ASC teams.  Here are my choices and the justifications of those rankings.

1)  2000 McMurry - (27-2) Elite 8. Ranked as high as #4 in Week # 13.  Final Ranking #6.  Defeated MissCollege 105-81 in the Tourney.  In the playoffs, they beat Pomona-Pitzer in the second round 111-76 after P-P had beaten #9 Trinity in the first round.  In the Sweet 16, they defeat (Final #18) Maryville TN, 112-95, which had upset #2 Hampden-Sydney in the second round.  Finally lose to National Champion Calvin at Calvin before 4500 fans in the Elite 8.  (Can we say homecourt advantage?)

2) 2004 Sul Ross - (21-9) Sweet 16. Upset highly-favored #12 Trinity in San Antonio and then loses in OT to #7 Lawrence on a neutral floor.  SRSU finished at #25.  (Lawrence lost in OT on a neutral court to National Champion UW-Stevens Point).  I think that this is the all-time Rodney Daingerfield ASC performance.

3) 2001 McMurry - (24-4) Sweet 16. Beat Mississippi College (Final #23)  in tourney and in the second round.  After a 23-game winning streak, they lost to Finalist #2 William Paterson with future NBA'er Horace Jenkins.  Final Ranking #13. (Two losses were to scholarship NAIA-1 schools in November.)

4) 2006 MissColl - (29-2)  Sweet 16. #8 in week 13.  Hosted Sub-regional and defeated unranked Maryville MO and Maryville TN and then lost to #20 Transylvania on a neutral floor, 64-76.  Final rankings-- Transy #7, Miss Coll #13.

5) 2002 Miss Coll - (22-3)  Hosted second round after the bye and lost 57-70 to Lewis and Clark (Week 13 was #22; Final #9). I listened to that game and Miss College had no solution for L&C's outside shooting and height.  (Miss College was as high as #17 and final ranking was #21.) 

6)  2001 Miss Coll -  (23-5)  Demolish SCAC champion Millsaps 61-45 in the first round and lose to McMurry in Abilene in the second round 86-82 in a classic.  Final Ranking -- #23.  (In fact, I might put the 2001 MC team ahead of the 2002 team!  )

The jury is still out on the 2007 Chocs! 

[golden_dome]

Ralph,
   I was waiting on that and here is how I would rank and why. I know I am nitpicking here for the sake of argument but I do realize we are talking about the ASC's all-time best.

1a) 2006 Mississippi College - (29-2) Set the conference record for wins and beating SRSU, McMurry & Howard Payne at HPU to win the ASC Championship was more impressive than McMurry's beating Ozarks and MC at home. MC also won two NCAA games against very similiar teams as the 2000 McMurry team. If MC beats Transylvania I think this is a no-brainer but the loss opens debate.

1b) 2000 McMurry - (27-2) Like I've said before, they were impressive to watch. But looking closer at the body of work they did not beat one ranked team the entire season and had a very easy road to the Elite 8. Their two NCAA wins were against two unranked teams. Pomona-Pitzer did not receive a single vote in the final regular season Top 25 and Maryville only had one vote. It is nice to have that Elite 8 appearance but they did not beat anyone to get there and the one premier team they faced beat them by 36.

3)  2001 McMurry - (24-4) That was a very good team who I thought got shafted by playing William Patterson. I thought the MC team was one of our most talented and this McMurry team beat us twice. This team is a solid #3.

4) 2002 Mississippi College - (22-3) Had a tremendous season and earned an NCAA First Round bye but could not handle a good Lewis & Clark team who reached the Elite 8.

5) 1999 Mississippi College - (25-3) It is hard for me to rank this team because I did not see them play. They won the ASC and reached the Sweet Sixteen with a win over Maryville but lost to John Carroll.

6) 2004 Sul Ross State - (21-9) This team had a great run in the tournament to reach the Sweet Sixteen but I can't put them higher because of the nine losses. If the losses were close I could but six more than the 2002 Choctaws can't be overlooked.

The 2001 Choctaws were arguably our most talented but it is hard for me to put them on the list without an ASC Championship. We will see how this year's MC team turns out. They have a long way to go to equal these teams.

[Ralph Turner]

Chris, my only question using Pat's Top 25 rankings is whether the collective group of voters in Pat's poll are smarter (or he is providing better data) and we are getting a better poll than in 2000.  (This is the 8th season of his Top 25!)

On the other hand, as for McMurry's competition in 2000, I have to believe that the NCAA had a very good handle on the strength of traditional D3members, the SCIAC Champ (Pomona-Pitzer) and the SCAC Champ (Trinity) and the 1999 runner-up/ODAC member Hampden-Sydney (which lost in double OT) in their seedings for the tourney.  The ASC was still the new kid on the block!

(We had 5 players to foul out of the MC (tourney semi-finals) game last year, and you only beat us by 11.)