MBB: American Southwest Conference

[McM Blue Devil]

There is a lot I want to say about the incident, but admittedly I did not see it.  Let me just say that I am glad I left right before so my 8 year old son did not witness that incident. Please see this link:

http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/jan/23/extracurricular-activities-take-away-from-hsu/

[hsucowboyfan]

can we blow this thing any more out of proportion!!!!!

[fanstand]

When it makes the front page of the sports section. It is not incidental.

[hsucowboyfan]

we're in abilene.....anything makes the front page. I dont agree with coach howards actions...BUT he is human and sometimes our emotions take over. it's been an emotional week at hardin simmons plus theres no greater feeling then winning a game in overtime. he just got carried away, and coach howard is a man who doesn't like to be taken advantage of and when somebody throws a ball at the head of one of our players and then one of the mcmurry assistants says stuff to howard that doesn't need to be said.....I imagine we would all get a little heated. we all know the history between these schools and because of the last incident that happened three years ago hsu doesn't take mcms disrespect and fighting lightly. its a RIVALRY everythings going to be emotional. as far as hsu's fans...you couldn't ask for better support. i had a mcm assistant coach come up to me after the last basketball game at mcm and he told me that our fans are unbelievably great and he wished that mcm would support teams like we do. we might be a little rowdy but we care a lot about our school an our teams and show a lot of support for them.

[fanstand]

I understand the rivalry. I was there, yelling at the officials, caught up in the electric atmosphere....but we cannot make excuses for those in charge losing their composure.  What if Coach Howard could not have been restrained??? It was a great, emotional game but we cannot let things get out of hand. We must be the examples for young people. Even in Abilene, Tx.

[Bench Coach]

If you are from HSU, people are going to make excuses and say it wasn't your fault.  If you are from anywhere else, it is your fault and it is bad sportsmanship.  I have been around all three of the big rivalry schools, HPU, HSU, and McM.  What I have witnessed and has been done to me is if your not from HSU, the people that go there and graduated from there can't believe that you went to one of the other two schools.  I believe in a good rivalry, but one that end in violence is not a good.  Yes, people will exchange words but when someone starts going after the other one in a physical matter it is wrong, no matter who you are!  If you have read the article it stats both sides of the story and is not one sided.

[hsucowboyfan]

um why dont you read it again because it doesn't give recollection of what happened from an hsu point of view as far as the words said by the assistant coach garza. The whole event...yes, but coach garzas words....no. your telling me that coach howard would've gotten that mad and upset over coach garza just saying "stay classy".....please tell me i'm no the only one thinking that he wouldn't get mad just because of that.

[mcmfan]

We probably can't ever sort out all the confusion.  Several McM players told me this morning that Coach Garza was just trying to shake Coach Howard's hand and he refused, hence Garza's comment to him to be classy.  Maybe Garza  said something else, or maybe Coach Howard in the tension of the moment thought he said something else.  If there is an "HSU point of view" version of what happened, as hsucowboyfan says is missing, then someone should post it here for everyone else to read.

The paper also says that if there is any disciplinary action, it will come from the ASC, not Hardin-Simmons.  I find it a bit hard to believe that HSU, a Christian school, is not more concerned about violent public behavior and profanity on the part of its own employees, acting in their official capacity.  What kind of "disciplinary action" might the ASC exercise? 

[mcmfan]

Let me add something more positive.  While the "fracas" was developing elsewhere on the court, Robert Moreno from McM and Mardochee Jean from HSU, who seemed to end the game in a wrestling match, were shaking hands.  Some people let their emotions get out of hand at the end of the game, but there were people on both teams who were able to put it behind them.  They deserve our respect.

[fanstand]

I saw that too McMfan.  I also want to say it was a GREAT game.  Yes, the other team won, but it was an awesome game.  I don't think anyone should be "punished". We just need to be aware of our actions, words, and accountability to those we influence.

[hsucowboyfan]

good post fanstand

[Pat Coleman]

I believe the ASC has the power to suspend a coach from a conference game. This happened in another D-III conference a couple of years ago.

[#1ascfanman]

My picks for Thursday:

Dallas at LeT-LeT
McMurry at Schreiner-McM
Ozarks at MC-MC
HSU at TLU-HSU
SRSU at CUA-CUA
HPU at UMHB-UMHB
Tyler at ETBU-Tyler

Upset pick will come on Saturday or as one says the "foolish: pick

[A1C2U]

I was at the game...sitting right behind the scorers table and saw the entire scene escalate.  I am not a fan or supporter of either school.  I was simply there to watch a good basketball game.  I don't really expect anyone from HSU to be impartial about this situation.  With that said, Dylan Howard made a complete fool of himself.  Never have I seen a coach act so immature on the court in front of his team and hundreds of fans.  What amazes me most is the lack of public response from the HSU administrators...especially since John Neese, the HSU AD, was right in front of me when the fracas started.  I don't know how any person can hear the words and actions of Dylan Howard and not take action.

[mcmfan]

We just need to be aware of our actions, words, and accountability to those we influence.

You said it all, there, fanstand.  I just gave you a karma point.