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[gordonmann]

Congrats to the Dutch.

Bria Ebels was saddled with two fouls early, but the rest of the team really responded. 

And kudos to the Hope faithful who travelled down from Holland.  Between them and the DePauw students, this was a fantastic environment.  One of the best I've seen for women's D3.

"Hope" to see you in Springfield, Mass next weekend.

[sac]

Congrats to the Dutch.

Bria Ebels was saddled with two fouls early, but the rest of the team really responded. 

And kudos to the Hope faithful who travelled down from Holland.  Between them and the DePauw students, this was a fantastic environment.  One of the best I've seen for women's D3.

"Hope" to see you in Springfield, Mass next weekend.

Actually I think many of those people came over from Springfield OH after last night.   I heard many people makeing plans to do just that.

I'm sure Hope will be well represented in Mass.

[hope1]

way  yo go hope girls see you next week in the final 4

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The Flying Dutch were just amazing last night.  What a weekend, beat #3 in the nation on Friday, and #4 on their own floor on Saturday.  Now we get #2 on Friday, and potentially #1 on Saturday.  A Championship would have to be the ultimate streak of games, and I'm confident they can do it.  This team is so deep, and you can see it in their play - they know they can beat anybody.

The crowd last night was awesome - nearly as many Hope fans as DePauw.  The DaPauw crowd is an extremely rude bunch, and it's not just the students.  We were sitting near the daults/parents, and the language they used was disgusting.  Really makes you appreciate Hope fans.

[hope1]

if any hope fans are going this week  i am wondering what motel you are staying in please we are leaving thur night   dtysse@chartermi.net

[mark_reichert]

As a WashU fan, I can only root for Hope now, which would make four years out of five that WashU is knocked out by the National Champion before the final four.  Southern Maine and Scranton get endless trips to the final four while better teams are knocking each other out in the midwest.

It is particularly disappointing this year because this was the last shot for Manning, the greatest WashU player to not even get a trip to the Final Four.  Also Fischer, Rodgers and Fahey appear to be getting plaques AND I lived in Springfield for two years, but I can't rationalize the trip without the team being there playing.

So good luck and enjoy yourselves, because I'm not.

[DPU_radio_guy]

While I'm rather biased, I'd like to comment on the DPU student section.

First, I have a hard time believing that was the first time you ever heard a BS call at a basketball game.  That happens at every level all the way up to the NBA.  I mean come on.  The student section at every D1 school (Duke excluded, which prefers "We Big to Differ") in the country uses that one.

Second, the administration did do something about the use of the F word.  There was a mandate laid down by DPU Police in the first half that anybody (or everybody if necessary) that used the F word would be ejected.  To my knowledge, nobody was ejected, but the F word wasn't present in the second half either.  I heard it in the first half, and the administration stopped it.

I also apparently completely blanked the "whore" incident. Everyone I've spoken to who was at the game (including the "leader" of the student section itself) has no recollection of your allegation, either. 

I've been on the road with DePauw men's and women's teams, and several of them (particularly in some non-conference games, mostly not within the SCAC) were way worse than anything I heard at the Neal Fieldhouse on Friday or Saturday.  That's not a defense, but go play at Wabash or at Centre one night.  You'll never want to go that place ever again.  Obviously your women can't play Wabash, but what you saw was a walk in the park compared to that outing this year. 


Say what you will, apparently those of us here in Greencastle don't show the same high moral values that you'll find at the DeVos Fieldhouse.  No way a couple thousand college students would EVER do anything immoral. 

[dren]

Re: the behavior of DePauw 'fans':

If the situation was as reported (and I have no reason to doubt that it was), one obvious consequence is that DePauw should never even be CONSIDERED for hosting tournament games again until such time as they can give enforceable guantantees that such behavior will NOT be repeated (and if it is, that the offenders will be immediately ejected from the premises).

Both the BS and 'xxx sucks' chants have, deplorably, become so common that they seem to be tacitly legitimized, but I had never previously heard of 'whore' directed at officials or (according to at least one post) opposing players.  That is beyond despicable.  And I agree with the post that the even worse thing was that no DePauw officials did anything about it.  What the hell sort of a 'teaching institution' are they running down there in Greencastle?!

I worked all afternoon on my email to the Hope Pres, Hope AD, Depauw Pres, Depauw AD, MIAA commish, SCAC commish, NCAA D3 womens GL rep, and NCAA D3 Commissioner on Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.  I'm sure I'll get some replies tomorrow.  I was sure to stress that in wasn't the fans that struck me as terrible... it was the lack of authority at the game.  I was also sure to stress that the Depauw players and coaches played very tough and had nothing to do with the actions of the Depauw fans.

Again... I encourage everyone to send a quick email down that list.  One complaint isn't much, but just 4 or 5 can raise some attention to the problem. 


David L. Neilson, MIAA Commissioner: miaacommish@ameritech.net
Ray Smith, Hope College AD: resmith@hope.edu
James E. Bultman, Hope College president: bultmanj@hope.edu
Steve Argo, SCAC Commissioner: sargo@scac-online.org
Robert G. Bottoms, Depauw President:   bbottoms@depauw.edu
Page Cotton,  Depauw AD:    pagecotton@depauw.edu
Rosalyn Fornari, Division III Women's Basketball Committee Great Lakes Rep (head coach at PSU Behrend College):  rxf16@psu.edu
Chuck Mitrano, Committee on Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct DIII Commissioner cmitrano@Empire8.com

[dren]

While I'm rather biased, I'd like to comment on the DPU student section.

First, I have a hard time believing that was the first time you ever heard a BS call at a basketball game.  That happens at every level all the way up to the NBA.  I mean come on.  The student section at every D1 school (Duke excluded, which prefers "We Big to Differ") in the country uses that one.

Second, the administration did do something about the use of the F word.  There was a mandate laid down by DPU Police in the first half that anybody (or everybody if necessary) that used the F word would be ejected.  To my knowledge, nobody was ejected, but the F word wasn't present in the second half either.  I heard it in the first half, and the administration stopped it.

I also apparently completely blanked the "whore" incident. Everyone I've spoken to who was at the game (including the "leader" of the student section itself) has no recollection of your allegation, either. 

I've been on the road with DePauw men's and women's teams, and several of them (particularly in some non-conference games, mostly not within the SCAC) were way worse than anything I heard at the Neal Fieldhouse on Friday or Saturday.  That's not a defense, but go play at Wabash or at Centre one night.  You'll never want to go that place ever again.  Obviously your women can't play Wabash, but what you saw was a walk in the park compared to that outing this year. 


Say what you will, apparently those of us here in Greencastle don't show the same high moral values that you'll find at the DeVos Fieldhouse.  No way a couple thousand college students would EVER do anything immoral. 

Great defense... "but everyone else is doing it, that means it is accpetable.." or "were not as bad as insert team name here, they are really bad!!"

Say what you will, apparently those of us here in Greencastle don't show the same high moral values that you'll find at the DeVos Fieldhouse.  No way a couple thousand college students would EVER do anything immoral. 

That pretty much sums up my point... you are hosting an NCAA Championship event.  What kind of image are you trying to portray as Depauw University students?  Really you guys are no diffenent than any other school... but if you want everyone to remember Depauw as just another Break.com University thats up to you...

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Re: the behavior of DePauw 'fans':

If the situation was as reported (and I have no reason to doubt that it was), one obvious consequence is that DePauw should never even be CONSIDERED for hosting tournament games again until such time as they can give enforceable guantantees that such behavior will NOT be repeated (and if it is, that the offenders will be immediately ejected from the premises).

Both the BS and 'xxx sucks' chants have, deplorably, become so common that they seem to be tacitly legitimized, but I had never previously heard of 'whore' directed at officials or (according to at least one post) opposing players.  That is beyond despicable.  And I agree with the post that the even worse thing was that no DePauw officials did anything about it.  What the hell sort of a 'teaching institution' are they running down there in Greencastle?!

I worked all afternoon on my email to the Hope Pres, Hope AD, Depauw Pres, Depauw AD, MIAA commish, SCAC commish, NCAA D3 womens GL rep, and NCAA D3 Commissioner on Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct.  I'm sure I'll get some replies tomorrow.  I was sure to stress that in wasn't the fans that struck me as terrible... it was the lack of authority at the game.  I was also sure to stress that the Depauw players and coaches played very tough and had nothing to do with the actions of the Depauw fans.

Again... I encourage everyone to send a quick email down that list.  One complaint isn't much, but just 4 or 5 can raise some attention to the problem. 


David L. Neilson, MIAA Commissioner: miaacommish@ameritech.net
Ray Smith, Hope College AD: resmith@hope.edu
James E. Bultman, Hope College president: bultmanj@hope.edu
Steve Argo, SCAC Commissioner: sargo@scac-online.org
Robert G. Bottoms, Depauw President:   bbottoms@depauw.edu
Page Cotton,  Depauw AD:    pagecotton@depauw.edu
Rosalyn Fornari, Division III Women's Basketball Committee Great Lakes Rep (head coach at PSU Behrend College):  rxf16@psu.edu
Chuck Mitrano, Committee on Sportsmanship and Ethical Conduct DIII Commissioner cmitrano@Empire8.com

Sent my description of it off this afternoon - most appalling to me was the adults/parents who eventually were swearing at their own team

[AndersDY]

I was also sure to stress that the Depauw players and coaches played very tough and had nothing to do with the actions of the Depauw fans.

No blame belongs to the team, but I wonder if their style of play gave the fans reason to ride the refs more throughout the year. The DePauw girls appeared to push off, at least lightly, quite regularly and played a very out-of-control offensive foul prone style. Particularly #11 seemed to just throw her body around hoping to get a foul called on the defense. I think Bria actually got her second foul because of that tactic before the officials picked up that #11 was just going to sling herself all over the place waiting to get contact called in her favor. This is just a style thing and I didn't see anything actually classless by the DePauw players, but I could picture some games where officials were willing to call a lot of these things against DePauw earlier in the year and the crowd decided the officials were going to be the enemy every night. That doesn't explain the need to attack any visiting opponent though and certainly doesn't put the players at fault, but I wonder if the fans decided because their team plays in a tough style, that they should try to be as "tough" (as if that disgusting display was tough) as they could be in the stands as well.

[tniem]

DPU, et. al,

Does DePauw fans show up in those numbers for all women's games?  Do you have a female student section all season?  Or is this you guys moving over after the men's season?  Likewise, the other schools in your conference (Wabash is a men's only school), are you refering to their Men's teams or Women's teams?  And yes it does matter or at least it might explain some of sGo's feelings.


So the trip to Mass. this weekend...  Quite a drive from DC, who thinks I should go?

[tniem]

Does DePauw fans show up in those numbers for all women's games?  Do you have a female student section all season?  Or is this you guys moving over after the men's season?  Likewise, the other schools in your conference (Wabash is a men's only school), are you refering to their Men's teams or Women's teams?  And yes it does matter or at least it might explain some of sGo's feelings.

OK, question asked, answer answered.  Appears your highest attendance for women's games this season was 825 (Rose-Holman, they had over a thousand at their home game so I assume they our your rival or they are close by in terms of miles and both team's fans can show up).  Beyond that it was 325.  So it sounds like this is your men's student section moving over to the women's side where there is a different decorum.  IMO, even at a men's game, BS is a classless chant.  It has nothing to do with morals.  And do not even get me started on wh---.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

DPU, et. al,

Does DePauw fans show up in those numbers for all women's games?  Do you have a female student section all season?  Or is this you guys moving over after the men's season?  Likewise, the other schools in your conference (Wabash is a men's only school), are you refering to their Men's teams or Women's teams?  And yes it does matter or at least it might explain some of sGo's feelings.


So the trip to Mass. this weekend...  Quite a drive from DC, who thinks I should go?

CM and I will be there, and expect to see you   

[Josh Bowerman]

Greetings, Hope fans!  Congratulations on your women's team advancing to the Final Four this weekend in Springfield.  I hope that your ladies play well and wish them good luck.

I'll be photographing the game for d3hoops.com, and would encourage you to check out the photo galleries each night after the games.  And, please stop by and say "hi" during the timeouts--it would be nice to make your acquaintance.