WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[WWWRHH]

Does anyone know the pre-season scrimmage schedule for the Dutch?

[KnightSlappy]

MIAA Coaches Poll:
1. Hope (6) 8
2. Calvin (2) 13
3. Saint Mary's 22
4. Albion 29
5. Trine 30
6. Adrian 38
7. Olivet 46
8. Alma 49
9. Kalamazoo 53

The point totals are confusing me though -- only 8 coaches submitted votes?

[Erm Schmigget]

MIAA Coaches Poll:
1. Hope (6) 8
2. Calvin (2) 13
3. Saint Mary's 22
4. Albion 29
5. Trine 30
6. Adrian 38
7. Olivet 46
8. Alma 49
9. Kalamazoo 53

The point totals are confusing me though -- only 8 coaches submitted votes?

Hope only received 6 #1 votes.  Assuming the rest were #2 votes, wouldn't their point total be 12?  (Six first place votes: 6x1, plus three second place: 3x2.)  Does this mean only 7 coaches submitted votes?  But Calvin received 2 first place votes, so the total number of frist place votes cast equals 8.   

'Splain, Lucy, 'splain!!

Here's a thought:  1 coach's votes were not in on time, and coaches could not vote for their own team:

Hope:  1,1,1,1,1,1,2
Calvin:  1,1,2,2,2,2,3
St Mary's:  2,2,3,3,4,4,4
Albion: 
Trine: 
Adrian: 
Olivet: 
Alma: 
Kzoo: 

That's a start, maybe someone else can fill in the rest.   

[sac]

Stay with me...........

You cannot vote for your own team.........meaning each coach submits a ballot with 8 teams 1 thru 8.  That means the total poll points with 9 voters should be 324.

The current poll shows only 288 points...............324-288 = 36.    36 is number of available points on a ballot ranking teams 1 thru 8

...meaning, only 8 ballots were counted, which matches the #1 votes total.


Why?  I don't know........and this is a pure mathematical guess.

[KnightSlappy]

MIAA Coaches Poll:
1. Hope (6) 8
2. Calvin (2) 13
3. Saint Mary's 22
4. Albion 29
5. Trine 30
6. Adrian 38
7. Olivet 46
8. Alma 49
9. Kalamazoo 53

The point totals are confusing me though -- only 8 coaches submitted votes?

Hope only received 6 #1 votes.  Assuming the rest were #2 votes, wouldn't their point total be 12?  (Six first place votes: 6x1, plus three second place: 3x2.)  Does this mean only 7 coaches submitted votes?  But Calvin received 2 first place votes, so the total number of frist place votes cast equals 8.   

'Splain, Lucy, 'splain!!

Here's a thought:  1 coach's votes were not in on time, and coaches could not vote for their own team:

Hope:  1,1,1,1,1,1,2
Calvin:  1,1,2,2,2,2,3
St Mary's:  2,2,3,3,4,4,4
Albion: 
Trine: 
Adrian: 
Olivet: 
Alma: 
Kzoo: 

That's a start, maybe someone else can fill in the rest.   

You don't vote for yourself so that means each team should have received 8 total votes. With your calculations it appears that each team only received 7 votes (like the men's poll) which would suggest that only 8 ballots were submitted.

I think sac's math confirms that 8 ballots were counted. Nice work everyone!

I wonder what was/is the deal with this?

[sac]

Hope's Carrie Snikkers named a D3hoops.com pre-season all-american.

http://www.d3hoops.com/all-american/womenpreseason10.htm

[WWWRHH]

The Dutch are off to a great start 25-8

Starting point guard is a freshman Ellis

Carrie sounds dominating, good to see her off to a great start. 

Kutney picked up 2 quick fouls which has been her weakness in the past.  Hopefully she can cut down on those because they need her size and experience available the entire game.

Freshman Kussmaul is the fourth post, and with Kutney's fouls we may see who the 5th post is in the firt half.

Both Snikkers and Bruinsma have 2 threes already, so a different look with that post combination.

[scottiedawg]

I know they're young and its the first game, but 35 turnovers?

[Dark Knight]

The knights had their opening game today against Cornerstone, who were 23-8 last year and have played 3 games already this year. I wasn't expecting a lot -- key players have graduated and there are 6 freshmen on the varsity team.

However, after a rocky first couple of minutes and some first-game defensive lapses and missed rebounds, Calvin ended up winning 69-50.

The big story was 6'2" freshman center Verkaik, who scored 21 points on 9/10 shooting and pulled down 10 rebounds. That's pretty amazing for a first college game -- she's apparently the real deal.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The knights had their opening game today against Cornerstone, who were 23-8 last year and have played 3 games already this year. I wasn't expecting a lot -- key players have graduated and there are 6 freshmen on the varsity team.

However, after a rocky first couple of minutes and some first-game defensive lapses and missed rebounds, Calvin ended up winning 69-50.

The big story was 6'2" freshman center Verkaik, who scored 21 points on 9/10 shooting and pulled down 10 rebounds. That's pretty amazing for a first college game -- she's apparently the real deal.

Wow!  That IS a great first game.  I can hardly wait to see a match up against Snikkers.

[oldknight]

I know they're young and its the first game, but 35 turnovers?

I'm assuming Morehouse is worried--I would be. Madonna isn't exactly a powerhouse program and if they can force that many mistakes, the Hope women aren't going to cruise to a championship this year like they did the last two.

The knights had their opening game today against Cornerstone, who were 23-8 last year and have played 3 games already this year. I wasn't expecting a lot -- key players have graduated and there are 6 freshmen on the varsity team.

However, after a rocky first couple of minutes and some first-game defensive lapses and missed rebounds, Calvin ended up winning 69-50.

The big story was 6'2" freshman center Verkaik, who scored 21 points on 9/10 shooting and pulled down 10 rebounds. That's pretty amazing for a first college game -- she's apparently the real deal.

Wow!  That IS a great first game.  I can hardly wait to see a match up against Snikkers.

I saw Carissa Verkaik play several times in high school, including four games against Snikkers. Carrie was two grades ahead, far more experienced, on a much better team, and a better overall athlete than Carissa and yet Verkaik managed to put up decent numbers and didn't play like she was intimidated. Snikkers is a far more elegant athlete than Verkaik whose awkwardness initially made me underrate her abilities on the court. But over a four year career Carissa improved every year, became the second best shot blocker is Michigan girls history (behind MSU's Alyssa DeHaan), and consistently scored in double figures. Verkaik is a very effective player--especially on defense--who seemed to make her team much better than her individual skills might lead you to believe. The Calvin/Hope women's mathchups are those fans should take the time to attend this year.

[AlwaysHope]

I know they're young and its the first game, but 35 turnovers?

As a partial explanation, the starters only played a total of 95 minutes (19 avg. per starter), committing 14 of the turnovers.  Snickers only played 17 minutes.  Game was basically over by halftime, with Hope leading 50 - 27.  The lead early in the second half got up to 29 when Brian cleared the bench.  So the 12 point margin of victory is very misleading.

One of the questions going into the season was who would play point.  Sounds like freshman Liz Ellis was very solid at the point in her collegiate debut.

All 16 players got their minutes, so the reserves (including the six freshmen) committed most of those turnovers after the outcome had already been decided.  

Madonna came into this game with two wins, while this was Hope's first game.

Even then, I will admit that 35 is substantial!

[jspiii]

Hope 86 Rochester (MI) 38

Starters only averaged about 16 minutes. One fact, Rochester didn't get their 1st of 2 FG's against the Hope starters until the 8:13 mark left in the game. Hope's defense was especially sharp tonight. Freshman Liz Ellis is the real deal at the point.

A good test against Wittenberg tomorrow, who seemed to have great success from the outside against Robert Morris, final score, 66 - 53.

[hope1]

they played really good i think witt will pack there def  around carrie

[sac]

Hope 80 Wittenberg 49

I think Hope only has 3 out of conference in-region games, this was one of them and nice to get that important win.