WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[jspiii]

Hope 94 St Mary's 75

Hope 27 turnovers St Mary's 28 turnovers; Hope 24 steals St Mary's 10 steals
 Hope threw the ball away too many times on fastbreaks.
Liz Ellis played pretty near a flawless game, so much court-smarts for a freshman. 16 points 4 assists 1 TO and 4 steals in 20 minutes.
Downside: Snikkers back-up, Kutney fouled out after 8 minutes of play.
These teams could have gotten by with a 24 second shot clock.
Haven't seen the 5 for 5 rotations the last 3-4 games like earlier in the seson for Hope. First subs, Snikkers, Bruinsma out; Kutney, Kussmaul in.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Congrats to Philana Greene on being the MIAA POW.  Already the all time steals leader for Hope, she is also just 24 points from the 1000 point club.

[Calvinhoops]

I think she is the MVP of that team.  Brings a lot of heart and confidence to the game.

[ziggy]

Verkaik's 46 points and 18 field goals set new MIAA single game records

[realist]

Probably still not enough for her to get the consideration she deserves for post season honors, let alone pow.   

[Dark Knight]

Carissa picked up a couple more MIAA records this evening with an amazing 46 points on 18 of 20 field goal attempts as Calvin defeated Adrian 93 to 77. Previous records were 42 points and 17 field goals. Carissa was able to get so many points in part because Adrian kept the game pretty close with their own good shooting (45%), so Carissa got 33 minutes of playtime. That and she hit almost every single shot.

46 points was also the largest single-game total in DIII women's basketball so far this year.

[wiz]

Clearly, Carissa is the MIAA MVP.  Tonight she just added and exclamation mark!

[Mr. Ypsi]

Carissa picked up a couple more MIAA records this evening with an amazing 46 points on 18 of 20 field goal attempts as Calvin defeated Adrian 93 to 77. Previous records were 42 points and 17 field goals. Carissa was able to get so many points in part because Adrian kept the game pretty close with their own good shooting (45%), so Carissa got 33 minutes of playtime. That and she hit almost every single shot.

46 points was also the largest single-game total in DIII women's basketball so far this year.

I didn't know that.  So I assume Elmhurst's Lyndsie Long (who set the all-time CCIW record with 45 just a few days ago) had the previous high for the year?

The AA selections will be interesting this year.  At center, I had assumed that preseason #1 Christina Solari's only real competition was preseason #2 Carrie Snikkers.  While a freshman winning first-team AA would be surpassingly rare (without checking, perhaps even unprecedented?) Carissa Verkaik certainly seems a viable rival.

In hopes that IWU will be there to defend home court, I say 'bring either one of them to Bloomington, and let's get ready to rumble'!

[Hwbb]

Clearly, Carissa is the MIAA MVP.  Tonight she just added and exclamation mark!

Maybe it's just the cold weather that has fogged up my glasses, because I'm not seeing things as clearly as you are. If the leage MVP means the person with the most gaudy offensive numbers (with a coach who will let her get them or a team that absolutely must have them), then you're probably right--Ms. Verkaik is the MVP followed by Sydney Beckwith of Alma. But are offensive numbers the key stat in MVP consideration? (Are stats even the the key consideration? We'll assume so.)  What about defensive statistics? Assist-to-turnover ratio? Team leadership? (I don't know how to measure leadership, but I know it's awfully important.) Is it coming up big in the biggest games?  Point to Ms. Verkaik's game last night, and you've got an argument--maybe even a winning one, because MVPs are most often built on piles of points. Frankly, I'll take the lockdown defensive / overall team leadership / key moments in key games play of Philana Greene of Hope.

[gohope]

CONGRATULATIONS to the Hope College Flying Dutch for winning the MIAA!!!  Wonderful team effort!!!  Good Luck ladies in the tournament!!

[ziggy]

Maybe it's just the cold weather that has fogged up my glasses, because I'm not seeing things as clearly as you are. If the leage MVP means the person with the most gaudy offensive numbers (with a coach who will let her get them or a team that absolutely must have them), then you're probably right--Ms. Verkaik is the MVP followed by Sydney Beckwith of Alma. But are offensive numbers the key stat in MVP consideration? (Are stats even the the key consideration? We'll assume so.)  What about defensive statistics? Assist-to-turnover ratio? Team leadership? (I don't know how to measure leadership, but I know it's awfully important.) Is it coming up big in the biggest games?  Point to Ms. Verkaik's game last night, and you've got an argument--maybe even a winning one, because MVPs are most often built on piles of points. Frankly, I'll take the lockdown defensive / overall team leadership / key moments in key games play of Philana Greene of Hope.

Setting the all-time league record for blocked shots should say something about Carissa's abilities on the defensive end, not to mention sitting at number two in the league in rebounding (number one in defensive rebounding). Labeling her as a one way player is quite unfair.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the following comment: "with a coach who will let her get them"
She isn't in the top 20 in the league in minutes played so if you are insinuating that her gaudy numbers are a result of the coach playing her to pile up the stats then you probably need to rethink that.

[Dark Knight]

Maybe it's just the cold weather that has fogged up my glasses, because I'm not seeing things as clearly as you are. If the leage MVP means the person with the most gaudy offensive numbers (with a coach who will let her get them or a team that absolutely must have them), then you're probably right--Ms. Verkaik is the MVP followed by Sydney Beckwith of Alma. But are offensive numbers the key stat in MVP consideration? (Are stats even the the key consideration? We'll assume so.)  What about defensive statistics? Assist-to-turnover ratio? Team leadership? (I don't know how to measure leadership, but I know it's awfully important.) Is it coming up big in the biggest games?  Point to Ms. Verkaik's game last night, and you've got an argument--maybe even a winning one, because MVPs are most often built on piles of points. Frankly, I'll take the lockdown defensive / overall team leadership / key moments in key games play of Philana Greene of Hope.

Setting the all-time league record for blocked shots should say something about Carissa's abilities on the defensive end, not to mention sitting at number two in the league in rebounding (number one in defensive rebounding). Labeling her as a one way player is quite unfair.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the following comment: "with a coach who will let her get them"
She isn't in the top 20 in the league in minutes played so if you are insinuating that her gaudy numbers are a result of the coach playing her to pile up the stats then you probably need to rethink that.

Carissa's not a selfish player, and team scoring is usually pretty balanced--usually about 3 players in double figures. She also passes the ball out of the block well when she's well defended. She has 35 assists on the season.

It just that she's so darn efficient. She has hit nearly 60% of her field goal attempts on the season. When she gets on a roll it's more like 100%. Sometimes her teammates notice and start feeding her the ball. 

[realist]

hwbb:  If you go back to last years deserving mvp Ms. Snikkers, it is pretty obvious her ability to shoot, rebound, block shots etc. were important ingredients in making her the obvious choice. 
Personally I thought she would be the MIAA's first 3 time mvp for women's b-ball, but alas that has not come to pass due to injury. 
If you had no problem accepting Ms. Snikkers last year I am curious why you object to another player posting the same results following in her footsteps.
I have no quarrel with Ms. Greene as a player.  I would like her on my team, but I wouldn't give up CV for her.  

[Hwbb]

Maybe it's just the cold weather that has fogged up my glasses, because I'm not seeing things as clearly as you are. If the leage MVP means the person with the most gaudy offensive numbers (with a coach who will let her get them or a team that absolutely must have them), then you're probably right--Ms. Verkaik is the MVP followed by Sydney Beckwith of Alma. But are offensive numbers the key stat in MVP consideration? (Are stats even the the key consideration? We'll assume so.)  What about defensive statistics? Assist-to-turnover ratio? Team leadership? (I don't know how to measure leadership, but I know it's awfully important.) Is it coming up big in the biggest games?  Point to Ms. Verkaik's game last night, and you've got an argument--maybe even a winning one, because MVPs are most often built on piles of points. Frankly, I'll take the lockdown defensive / overall team leadership / key moments in key games play of Philana Greene of Hope.

Setting the all-time league record for blocked shots should say something about Carissa's abilities on the defensive end, not to mention sitting at number two in the league in rebounding (number one in defensive rebounding). Labeling her as a one way player is quite unfair.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by the following comment: "with a coach who will let her get them"
She isn't in the top 20 in the league in minutes played so if you are insinuating that her gaudy numbers are a result of the coach playing her to pile up the stats then you probably need to rethink that.

Carissa's not a selfish player, and team scoring is usually pretty balanced--usually about 3 players in double figures. She also passes the ball out of the block well when she's well defended. She has 35 assists on the season.

It just that she's so darn efficient. She has hit nearly 60% of her field goal attempts on the season. When she gets on a roll it's more like 100%. Sometimes her teammates notice and start feeding her the ball. 

It was never my intention to label Ms. Verkaik a one-way player; indeed, I was simply responding to the post of another (who pointed directly to her offensive output as an MVP clincher) by suggesting that other statistics were important. Blocked shots is one of those other statistics, as you rightly stated, and she has a bundle. So, I think, are those statistics that I cited for Ms Greene. Which are most crucial for an MVP? Don't know. All are there for evaluation, and we each make our choices (and, likely, make judgments of value). As for the comment on the coach, it was an observation and not a criticism. The best coaches utilize their players in what each believes is the most optimal way, both in an overall system and in individual games; sometimes, both in philosophy and in game situations, that means distributing points and minutes widely; at other times, it's riding your best player as far as she can take you. Hope and Calvin (and Alma and Albion and the rest, for that matter) have different personel and thus different philosophies. Now, do I think that an MVP is more likely produced from a philosophy and pattern of play that relies more heavily on one superior player? Yes, I happen to think that, right or wrong. Does that mean Ms. Verkaik will win? Or that Ms. Snikkers should or should not have won last year? Both were, and are, deserving. Others were, and are, as well.

[sac]

With a win at Adrian this Saturday Hope will have completed their tour of the MIAA these past three seasons with a record of 47-1....... the best in any 3 year period percentage wise.

Calvin went 35-1 in 96,97 and 98