WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[oldknight]

Last year, on the men's side, Jesse Reimink had the best overall stats in the conference and he won the award even though his team finished 2nd in the league race. I couldn't complain because his importance to his team was undeniable. This year, Verkaik's impact and her stats are just as dominating but I suspect she won't win--not because she's not worthy but because she's a freshmen. I know it's not a lifetime achievement award but being a key player on the league's best team for 4 years raises your profile and Greene is a key player. Although Carissa's stats are better, Greene would score more if her team wasn't so doggone balanced.

I am more than pleased to eat these words. Congrats to a terrific young lady whose impact on Calvin's program has been dramatic. I believe only once has there been a four time MVP in MIAA basketball--male or female--and that was Mark Veenstra. Unless Carrie Snikkers can take the award back next year, Carrisa has a reasonable shot at duplicating that feat.

Also, congrats to Philana Greene on her defensive player award.

[Hwbb]

All MIAA teams announced - Verkaik is named the MVP.

http://www.miaa.org/wbb/

Last week's debate on this board settled. Congrats to Ms. Verkaik on the award, and to the many of you who predicted it.

[jspiii]

     Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #1432 on: Yesterday at 09:47:01 pm »   

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I like that Lakeland match-up in the first round.  Ought to be a good one.  A pair of teams who are on a bigtime roll after some early losses.  As I said, the winner won't have much to look foward to with Hope in the second round.

Although, it appears the Hope fans are already looking ahead to IWU.  Perhaps their team will make the same grave error.  Either that or Hope isn't worried about DePauw because their officials won't let heathens like DePauw University into their G-rated, holier-than-thou gymnasium.

Was this a dig at Sac's earlier comment?  lol

[sac]

     Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #1432 on: Yesterday at 09:47:01 pm »   

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I like that Lakeland match-up in the first round.  Ought to be a good one.  A pair of teams who are on a bigtime roll after some early losses.  As I said, the winner won't have much to look foward to with Hope in the second round.

Although, it appears the Hope fans are already looking ahead to IWU.  Perhaps their team will make the same grave error.  Either that or Hope isn't worried about DePauw because their officials won't let heathens like DePauw University into their G-rated, holier-than-thou gymnasium.

Was this a dig at Sac's earlier comment?  lol

probably realist's who isn't even a Hope fan.........and its Mr Ypsi who has been looking forward to IWU/Hope for about ...12 months, also not a Hope fan.

[David Collinge]

Although on paper Hope is a comfortable favorite in the first round, I wouldn't completely discount Denison's chances.  They had a bit of a rocky season after graduating a six-woman senior class, but have pulled things together and looked pretty decent in the NCAC tournament, finishing 21-7 for the season.  They have the reigning conference Player of the Year in junior Shaina Kaiser, a do-everything wing who averaged 16.3 pts., 6.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists per game, hitting almost half (.485) of her field goal attempts.  They got a pretty good season from rookie point guard Serafina Nuzzo (10.7 ppg, 4.0 apg, 2.2 spg, 1.7 a/to).  They're extraordinarily well-coached by Head Coach Sara Lee, who nobody doesn't like.  And, of course, they've done it before (although not at Holland.)  Were I a Hope fan, I probably wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over this matchup, but neither would I just assume a victory over the Big Red.  Good luck to the Flying Dutch.

[Mr. Ypsi]

    Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #1432 on: Yesterday at 09:47:01 pm »  

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I like that Lakeland match-up in the first round.  Ought to be a good one.  A pair of teams who are on a bigtime roll after some early losses.  As I said, the winner won't have much to look foward to with Hope in the second round.

Although, it appears the Hope fans are already looking ahead to IWU.  Perhaps their team will make the same grave error.  Either that or Hope isn't worried about DePauw because their officials won't let heathens like DePauw University into their G-rated, holier-than-thou gymnasium.

Was this a dig at Sac's earlier comment?  lol

probably realist's who isn't even a Hope fan.........and its Mr Ypsi who has been looking forward to IWU/Hope for about ...12 months, also not a Hope fan.

Heck, I've been looking forward to it for THREE YEARS!  Just neither one of us can make the danged Final Four when we both expected to.

This year it became especially intriguing when Christina Solari (IWU) and Carrie Snikkers (Hope) were the First and Second team All America centers, respectively.  I expected to see the showdown in Holland last year.  I hoped to see the showdown in Bloomington this year.  Since they are scheduled to meet (if both survive that long) in the Elite Eight, my guess is I will still see them in Holland!

(Oh, and I'm a Hope fan against MOST opponents. )

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Although on paper Hope is a comfortable favorite in the first round, I wouldn't completely discount Denison's chances.  They had a bit of a rocky season after graduating a six-woman senior class, but have pulled things together and looked pretty decent in the NCAC tournament, finishing 21-7 for the season.  They have the reigning conference Player of the Year in junior Shaina Kaiser, a do-everything wing who averaged 16.3 pts., 6.5 rebounds and 2.8 assists per game, hitting almost half (.485) of her field goal attempts.  They got a pretty good season from rookie point guard Serafina Nuzzo (10.7 ppg, 4.0 apg, 2.2 spg, 1.7 a/to).  They're extraordinarily well-coached by Head Coach Sara Lee, who nobody doesn't like.  And, of course, they've done it before (although not at Holland.)  Were I a Hope fan, I probably wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over this matchup, but neither would I just assume a victory over the Big Red.  Good luck to the Flying Dutch.

Based on the comments I heard yesterday, I am certain that Hope is not overlooking Denison one bit.  In fact there are two seniors on Hope's team who have waited 3 years for some payback for Hope's early exit from the tournament in 07 at the hands of the Big Red.

[realist]

    Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #1432 on: Yesterday at 09:47:01 pm »  

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I like that Lakeland match-up in the first round.  Ought to be a good one.  A pair of teams who are on a bigtime roll after some early losses.  As I said, the winner won't have much to look foward to with Hope in the second round.

Although, it appears the Hope fans are already looking ahead to IWU.  Perhaps their team will make the same grave error.  Either that or Hope isn't worried about DePauw because their officials won't let heathens like DePauw University into their G-rated, holier-than-thou gymnasium.

Was this a dig at Sac's earlier comment?  lol

Sac is correct it probably is me they are upset with.  I got my information first hand from a DePauw graduate, and her husband who were sitting right behind the DePauw president at the game referenced.  DePauw students were using "crude, vulgar, sexist, vile" language and gestures during the entire course of the game.  Taunting Hope players.  The president just sat their apparently totally oblivious to what was going on around him.  Hope fans (and my friends) were shocked at the blatant violation of NCAA policy that host insititutions are responsible to control fan behavior.  
As a Calvin supporter I am totally confident that such behavior on the part of anyone at any Hope sporting event would be dealt with swiftly, and appropriately in accordance with both NCAA policy, and the Hope's own policy.  If that is "holier than thou", so be it.

FWIW:  The above mentioned DePauw grad was so upset over the reply she got to her letter to the president of the school she has vowed never to give them another cent, and has steered several potential students away.

[DPULefty22]

FWIW:  The above mentioned DePauw grad was so upset over the reply she got to her letter to the president of the school she has vowed never to give them another cent, and has steered several potential students away.

I believe I've met the woman in question. With her permission, I'd like to post this photo of her.



We're a long way from 2006. If you aren't over it by now, I really and truly feel sorry for you.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

FWIW - here's a stats comparison between Hope and Denison.  I'll post one for Lakeland and DePauw later

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Hope	45.3	32.6	71.3
Denison	46	29.8	67.6
Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Hope	35.2	24.3
Denison	41.4	27.3
Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	43.8	38.1	5.7
Denison	42	37.9	4.1
Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	75.1	51.7	23.4
Denison	70.4	59.2	11.2
3 point shooting	Attempts	Made	Made/game
Hope	531	173	6.2
Denison	514	153	5.5
Blocks	Total	per game
Hope	175	6.3
Denison	88	3.1
Steals	Total	per game
Hope	465	16.6
Denison	247	8.8
Turnovers	Total	per game
Hope	530	18.9
Denison	412	14.7
Assists	Total	per game
Hope	433	15.5
Denison	444	15.9
Assist/Turnover
Hope	0.82
Denison	1.08

[realist]

Looking at St. Norbert it seems they rely heavily on their guards.  Of the top 7 scorers 4 are quards, 2 forwards, and one post player.  They have a high scoring margin, keep opponents around 50, and have a high number of steals.  
Calvin definitely has a height advantage, but unless the Knights can protect the ball from steals, and other turnovers may not get the chance to exploit this advantage.  I expect the pressure on the ball is going to equal or exceed that which Hope has come at the Knights with.

[sac]

Looking at St. Norbert it seems they rely heavily on their guards.  Of the top 7 scorers 4 are quards, 2 forwards, and one post player.  They have a high scoring margin, keep opponents around 50, and have a high number of steals.  
Calvin definitely has a height advantage, but unless the Knights can protect the ball from steals, and other turnovers may not get the chance to exploit this advantage.  I expect the pressure on the ball is going to equal or exceed that which Hope has come at the Knights with.

Twice I think Calvin had good ideas vs Hope, twice they came out with a lot of confidence and determination.........but in neither case were they able to keep it focused for 40 minutes.    Once they started when it was too late, once they couldn't sustain it.


I'm far from an expert on women's hoops, but both of these teams looked like really good D3 women's teams this year to me.

[wwjjdd]

    Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« Reply #1432 on: Yesterday at 09:47:01 pm »  

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I like that Lakeland match-up in the first round.  Ought to be a good one.  A pair of teams who are on a bigtime roll after some early losses.  As I said, the winner won't have much to look foward to with Hope in the second round.

Although, it appears the Hope fans are already looking ahead to IWU.  Perhaps their team will make the same grave error.  Either that or Hope isn't worried about DePauw because their officials won't let heathens like DePauw University into their G-rated, holier-than-thou gymnasium.

Was this a dig at Sac's earlier comment?  lol

Sac is correct it probably is me they are upset with.  I got my information first hand from a DePauw graduate, and her husband who were sitting right behind the DePauw president at the game referenced.  DePauw students were using "crude, vulgar, sexist, vile" language and gestures during the entire course of the game.  Taunting Hope players.  The president just sat their apparently totally oblivious to what was going on around him.  Hope fans (and my friends) were shocked at the blatant violation of NCAA policy that host insititutions are responsible to control fan behavior.  
As a Calvin supporter I am totally confident that such behavior on the part of anyone at any Hope sporting event would be dealt with swiftly, and appropriately in accordance with both NCAA policy, and the Hope's own policy.  If that is "holier than thou", so be it.

FWIW:  The above mentioned DePauw grad was so upset over the reply she got to her letter to the president of the school she has vowed never to give them another cent, and has steered several potential students away.

I was sitting next to Realist's source at the game in 2006.  I can confirm everything she passed on to him as being true.  Perhaps the most infuriating things was the DePauw President's cavalier attitude.  If I remember when Source brought the bad (to put it mildly) behavior to his attention, he replied that he hadn't noticed anything.  Since we were facing the cheering section and every word was loud and clear to my just-as-old-if- not-older ears, I found his response hard to fathom.  And, yes, 2006 is 4 years ago, but there are certain things that you don't quickly forget.  That night for me was one of those things.  I  know the DePauw fans and students will be warmly welcome in "Happy Town;" but I also believe that if they have not cleaned up their act, they will be just as warmly unwelcomed. 

[sac]

I also remember Coach Morehouse coming on here and asking Hope fans to drop it.

Sorry I even posted something, it was just my gut reaction.  I've never been to DePauw myself, but have come across 3 or 4 people in my life that went there.......all good guys and gals.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

A stat comparison of St. Norbert and Calvin.  (realist - not sure these would indicate the Green Knights pressure the ball more than Hope)  I predict Calvin will win this game by 5

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Calvin	48.8	33.1	74.9
St. Norbert	50.1	30	68.4
Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Calvin	37	29.1
St. Norbert	40	26.2
Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Calvin	38.3	34.9	3.4
St. Norbert	35.6	32.3	3.3
Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Calvin	68.2	56.4	11.8
St. Norbert	69.2	50	19.2
3 point shooting	Attempts	Made	Made/game
Calvin	474	157	5.6
St. Norbert	303	91	3.6
Blocks	Total	per game
Calvin	166	5.9
St. Norbert	69	2.8
Steals	Total	per game
Calvin	223	8
St. Norbert	307	12.3
Turnovers	Total	per game
Calvin	519	18.5
St. Norbert	418	16.7
Assists	Total	per game
Calvin	377	13.5
St. Norbert	343	13.7
Assist/Turnover
Calvin	0.73
St. Norbert	0.82