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[oldknight]

I agree with oldknight - wow...nothing like "trying to give one away"!!!!  BUT - prevail they did!!  GO HOPE!  Elite Eight here we come!  Any idea if those of us still in Holland tonight will be able to buy game tickets at DeVos for tomorrow nights game?

I guess the live experience was somewhat different.  While sometimes frustrating to watch, this was a game of two very good defenses.  Credit goes to both team for pressuring the ball, and really getting in the passing lanes.  Looking at the box score, I was surprised to see only 14 turnovers for Hope and 16 for Marymount, but I think the effect of the defenses was that it was a real struggle for either team to get a clean open look.

FDF is absolutely correct. Video may be better than merely listening to a radio broadcast but there really is no substitue for actually being there. Courtside seats provide you with a far greater ability to assess the intensity level of the players than does video--especially when viewing from a computer screen. That's why I qualified my remark with "for a time" when mentioning that it seemed to be a game both teams deserved to lose. Marymount's defense allowed less than 47 points per game this year so the fact that Hope scored 53 shouldn't be surprising to us.

[BruinFan]

Very similar results for Hope and George Fox last night.

Hope wins 53-46
George Fox wins 55-48

Marymount and Carthage were held to the lowest totals in the 8 games played on Friday.

We shall see if this continues ...

[Flying Dutch Fan]

FWIW - here's a stats comparison between Hope and UWSP.  Hope would seem to have a definite defensive advantage.   After watching both teams play yesterday, I suspect a much different type of game than Hope played last night - more uptempo and higher scoring - I see that as a Hope advantage.  Hope would also seem to be a deeper team -  no Hope player with more than 27 minutes last night, while the top 3 scorers last night for UWSP played 36, 37, and 38 minutes.

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Hope	45.8	31.7	70.4
UWSP	47.6	34.9	72.5
Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Hope	34.5	23.8
UWSP	42.9	32.8
Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	43.6	38.4	5.2
UWSP	35.5	34	1.5
Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	74	51.2	22.8
UWSP	70.1	61.6	8.5
3 point shooting	Attempts	Made	Made/game
Hope	577	183	5.9
UWSP	355	124	4.1
Blocks	Total	per game
Hope	192	6.2
UWSP	109	3.9
Steals	Total	per game
Hope	493	15.9
UWSP	315	10.5
Turnovers	Total	per game
Hope	576	18.6
UWSP	521	17.4
Assists	Total	per game
Hope	467	15.1
UWSP	432	14.4
Assist/Turnover
Hope	0.81
UWSP	0.83

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Very similar results for Hope and George Fox last night.

Hope wins 53-46
George Fox wins 55-48

Marymount and Carthage were held to the lowest totals in the 8 games played on Friday.

We shall see if this continues ...

Since Hope and George Fox have met in the trounament the last two years, I'm all for it happening again (since it would be the national championship game).  Just keep in mind that Hope won in 2008, George Fox in 2009, so it's our turn in 2010 

[almcguirejr]

IWU loses 77-76 after UWSP scores with 2.2 seconds left!

John Beilein should watch the tape of how UWSP defended the court the last 2.2 seconds.

Wasn't that unbelievable? I saw that and - I don't say this lightly - said to myself that if someone puts together that bad of a defensive plan at crunch time, he should lose his job. Michigan's players ought to be furious at the coaching staff.

And this isn't even taking into account the refusal to guard the inbounder, a strategy for which arguments have been made on this board, even though I think you always guard the inbounder in those situations.

Until you have coached a team in crunch time of a tournament you should say everything lightly.....

turner made a shot that is made  unguarded in practice about 5% of the time and even less in a game...if you said, OSU will get off a shot that has a 5% chance of going in....I think you would take that.
Maybe you should talk to Beilein...your ideas will get you hired!

Letting their best player go up the floor unimpeded was stupid.  I don't mind not guarding the inbounder.  This allows you to put 5 guys on 4.  Michigan put 5 guys on the 3 that didn't have the ball.

[HopeConvert]

IWU loses 77-76 after UWSP scores with 2.2 seconds left!

John Beilein should watch the tape of how UWSP defended the court the last 2.2 seconds.

Wasn't that unbelievable? I saw that and - I don't say this lightly - said to myself that if someone puts together that bad of a defensive plan at crunch time, he should lose his job. Michigan's players ought to be furious at the coaching staff.

And this isn't even taking into account the refusal to guard the inbounder, a strategy for which arguments have been made on this board, even though I think you always guard the inbounder in those situations.

Until you have coached a team in crunch time of a tournament you should say everything lightly.....

turner made a shot that is made  unguarded in practice about 5% of the time and even less in a game...if you said, OSU will get off a shot that has a 5% chance of going in....I think you would take that.
Maybe you should talk to Beilein...your ideas will get you hired!

Letting their best player go up the floor unimpeded was stupid.  I don't mind not guarding the inbounder.  This allows you to put 5 guys on 4.  Michigan put 5 guys on the 3 that didn't have the ball.

Actually 5 on 2, as OSU had three guys in the backcourt, one of them setting a screen for Turner since the OSU coaching staff obviously assumed UM would put a defender on Turner to make him work the ball up the court. Evidently Jim Beilein was the only person in the country who didn't know Turner was going to get the ball. As soon as he saw OSU's set-up he should have called a time-out (he still had 2 left) and had a couple of defenders ready to defend in the backcourt.

Guarding the inbounder is debatable. I would always put a man on him, but I understand the argument for not doing so. Nothing else Michigan did on that play made sense.

[sac]

IWU loses 77-76 after UWSP scores with 2.2 seconds left!

John Beilein should watch the tape of how UWSP defended the court the last 2.2 seconds.

Wasn't that unbelievable? I saw that and - I don't say this lightly - said to myself that if someone puts together that bad of a defensive plan at crunch time, he should lose his job. Michigan's players ought to be furious at the coaching staff.

And this isn't even taking into account the refusal to guard the inbounder, a strategy for which arguments have been made on this board, even though I think you always guard the inbounder in those situations.

Until you have coached a team in crunch time of a tournament you should say everything lightly.....

turner made a shot that is made  unguarded in practice about 5% of the time and even less in a game...if you said, OSU will get off a shot that has a 5% chance of going in....I think you would take that.
Maybe you should talk to Beilein...your ideas will get you hired!

Letting their best player go up the floor unimpeded was stupid.  I don't mind not guarding the inbounder.  This allows you to put 5 guys on 4.  Michigan put 5 guys on the 3 that didn't have the ball.

Actually 5 on 2, as OSU had three guys in the backcourt, one of them setting a screen for Turner since the OSU coaching staff obviously assumed UM would put a defender on Turner to make him work the ball up the court. Evidently Jim Beilein was the only person in the country who didn't know Turner was going to get the ball. As soon as he saw OSU's set-up he should have called a time-out (he still had 2 left) and had a couple of defenders ready to defend in the backcourt.

Guarding the inbounder is debatable. I would always put a man on him, but I understand the argument for not doing so. Nothing else Michigan did on that play made sense.

I thought the pose after the shot by Stu Douglas showed great form and technique.

[HopeConvert]

Just in case you need the link:

http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=ncaa&media=173191

[Mr. Ypsi]

Half the FF is already set.  #1 Amherst had little trouble with Babson (80-65?).  #2 Kean was ousted by unranked Rochester, 68-65.

IF George Fox tops WashU, the Shirk should be a veritable home court for the winner of Hope/UWSP.  Tradition says I should root for Point so IWU can say they lost only to the national champs, but GO HOPE!

[HopeConvert]

I'd applaud you, but I already did earlier today. We appreciate the support.

[HopeConvert]

I'm thinking Hope getting an early lead is bad for Point, whose players aren't as fresh, as FDF demonstrated. I can see them wearing out.

[HopeConvert]

Bad finish to the half.

[HopeConvert]

Way to go Flying Dutch! Return trip next week.

Sure is nice to have played a couple of games in the arena where the Final Four will be played. Should be an advantage.

[NW Hope Fan]

Go Hope!

[oldknight]

I couldn't bring up any livestats on my computer--and I never heard Gordan Mann announce any--but it looked to me like Snikkers had another huge second half and totally dominated the paint. It appeared that most of Hope's key players had a tough couple of shooting nights at Shirk but their post player put the team on her back and "Carried" the Dutch into the Final Four. When Snikkers played at Hudsonville Unity Christian she was labeled "The Franchise." Now national observers know why.