WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

realist · February 15, 2011, 03:08:43 PM

You might be right, but I recall last year when it didn't play out quite like some thought it might/should. I listened to the Morehouse Hoopsville segment, and he has made his feelings quite well known. Not sure if everyone in the MIAA will see things quite the way he does.
Looking at just the stats for the MIAA games, and like last year, there is more than a little room to give several players consideration.
At this point I would tend to think we might well see co mvp's.

WWWRHH · February 15, 2011, 03:38:17 PM

This statement will seem a little extreme to some, but the only stats that matter in the MIAA are those achieved in the Hope Calvin games. The gaps between these two teams and the rest of the conference is so wide stats in other games should be given about the same weight as those achieved in scrimmages against community college teams.

The MVP will be determined in the conference championship game and it will be awarded to the team leader of the victor even if her counterpart has better stats.

Carrie has a huge impact on the game even when she is not racking up big point totals because she demands so much attention from the opponents defence. The fact that she doesn't particulary care about her personal totals makes it even harder to defend her because she does not force bad shots.

However, I do recognize that she has the luxury of not forcing shots or creating plays because her supporting cast is almost always better than the opponents other starters.

The all conference team will not really be representative of the ten best players. Each team is limited to two players on the first team and two on the second team meaning one of Hope's starters will not make all conference.

If this post does not bring out the fans of some of the other schools nothing will

and we will be back to discussing fashion trends.

realist · February 15, 2011, 07:59:16 PM

We discussed this subject right up to the flogging ol' barney last year. Go back to about page 140, and read the next 10 or 12 pages. Lots of difference of opinion, and not sure we ever reached any sort of agreement on even what makes a MVP.
One has to consider the rest of the MIAA because their votes count the same as those of Hope, and Calvin, and I am sure each of those coaches has their own experience in how they have had to play all the other players on all the teams.
This is a quick look at some comparative stats for CS., and CV. YTD
Name, Mpg, fg%, 3 pt.%, Reb/g, blks, ft.%, stls, and pts. 14 games each.
CV 24.4 .590 .462 8.8 47 .870 26 256
CS 19.9 .492 .366 6.1 19 .762 23 177
09-10 for comparison
CV 26 .591 .357 8.6 60 .814 5 296 16 games
CS 17.6 .473 .217 6.4 23 .697 20 116 9 games

IMHO CS, and CV are the top two in the MIAA again this year. Take CV away from Calvin and they struggle to finish 3rd or 4th. Take CS away from Hope, and they are still right at the top.

Mr. Ypsi · February 15, 2011, 08:33:28 PM

Quote from: realist on February 15, 2011, 07:59:16 PM
We discussed this subject right up to the flogging ol' barney last year. Go back to about page 140, and read the next 10 or 12 pages. Lots of difference of opinion, and not sure we ever reached any sort of agreement on even what makes a MVP.
One has to consider the rest of the MIAA because their votes count the same as those of Hope, and Calvin, and I am sure each of those coaches has their own experience in how they have had to play all the other players on all the teams.
This is a quick look at some comparative stats for CS., and CV. YTD
Name, Mpg, fg%, 3 pt.%, Reb/g, blks, ft.%, stls, and pts. 14 games each.
CV 24.4 .590 .462 8.8 47 .870 26 256
CS 19.9 .492 .366 6.1 19 .762 23 177
09-10 for comparison
CV 26 .591 .357 8.6 60 .814 5 296 16 games
CS 17.6 .473 .217 6.4 23 .697 20 116 9 games

IMHO CS, and CV are the top two in the MIAA again this year. Take CV away from Calvin and they struggle to finish 3rd or 4th. Take CS away from Hope, and they are still right at the top.

And, now, of course, we could enter the discussion of whether those coaches' opinions should even be counted!

ziggy · February 16, 2011, 09:04:04 AM

Quote from: realist on February 15, 2011, 07:59:16 PM

IMHO CS, and CV are the top two in the MIAA again this year. Take CV away from Calvin and they struggle to finish 3rd or 4th. Take CS away from Hope, and they are still right at the top.

The definition of "valuable".

I really wish the league would do away with MVP in favor of an MOP. CV and CS are clearly the best two players in the league and deserve recognition beyond first team all-conference honors but one is certainly more "valuable" to her team than the other.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 16, 2011, 03:37:22 PM

Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/

Flying Dutch Fan · February 16, 2011, 03:39:11 PM

Great Lakes Region
1. Thomas More 22-0 23-0
2. Hope 19-1 22-1
3. Calvin 15-1 19-4
4. Denison 21-0 23-0
5. Hanover 20-1 21-1
6. DePauw 17-2 20-3

realist · February 17, 2011, 10:56:08 AM

After last night CV is only 18 points away from reaching the 1,000 point mark in her career. By the time she is done her name is going to be all over ther MIAA record book.

edited from 19 down to 18.

KnightSlappy · February 17, 2011, 11:14:27 AM

Quote from: ziggy on February 16, 2011, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: realist on February 15, 2011, 07:59:16 PM

IMHO CS, and CV are the top two in the MIAA again this year. Take CV away from Calvin and they struggle to finish 3rd or 4th. Take CS away from Hope, and they are still right at the top.

The definition of "valuable".

I really wish the league would do away with MVP in favor of an MOP. CV and CS are clearly the best two players in the league and deserve recognition beyond first team all-conference honors but one is certainly more "valuable" to her team than the other.

This conference season, CV has been asked to play more minutes, take a higher percentage of her team's shots, she's been a more efficient scorer, she's grabbed a higher percentage of available rebounds, and certainly blocked a higher percentage of shots.

MOP and MVP.

They're two of the best players in the country, but CV is more valuable to her team's success, and she has the better stats.

Co-MVP's wouldn't be incorrect though.

realist · February 17, 2011, 12:07:46 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 17, 2011, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: ziggy on February 16, 2011, 09:04:04 AM
Quote from: realist on February 15, 2011, 07:59:16 PM

IMHO CS, and CV are the top two in the MIAA again this year. Take CV away from Calvin and they struggle to finish 3rd or 4th. Take CS away from Hope, and they are still right at the top.

The definition of "valuable".

I really wish the league would do away with MVP in favor of an MOP. CV and CS are clearly the best two players in the league and deserve recognition beyond first team all-conference honors but one is certainly more "valuable" to her team than the other.

This conference season, CV has been asked to play more minutes, take a higher percentage of her team's shots, she's been a more efficient scorer, she's grabbed a higher percentage of available rebounds, and certainly blocked a higher percentage of shots.

MOP and MVP.

They're two of the best players in the country, but CV is more valuable to her team's success, and she has the better stats.

Co-MVP's wouldn't be incorrect though.

Even adding in last nights game CV is actually playing about 1.25 minutes per game less this year. Her rebound total is still near 8.8, and she needs 6 more blocks this year to equal last years total. She has stepped up the number of steals she has this year, and has improved on 3 pt. shooting along with free throws. Just like CS one can make a strong case that CV's numbers are lower than they might be were the competiton stronger in many games.

bballfan13 · February 17, 2011, 12:16:36 PM

Quote from: realist on February 17, 2011, 10:56:08 AM
After last night CV is only 19 points away from reaching the 1,000 point mark in her career. By the time she is done her name is going to be all over ther MIAA record book.

Correction: 18 points

realist · February 17, 2011, 12:43:10 PM

Thanks. I was just coming to correct that. 18 it is,

Out_Of_My_Kitchen · February 17, 2011, 04:06:21 PM

Tougher Region, Great Lakes or Central?

Both are loaded!

realist · February 17, 2011, 05:04:06 PM

OOMK: Tough question. Perhaps it is best to let the tournament play out, and see who comes out on top.

WWWRHH · February 17, 2011, 09:34:33 PM

Realist I agree with you.....but if sports fans only participated in informed, well reasoned discussions what would happen to sports talk radio or most D1 boards.

Perhaps that is the primary redeeming feature of D3 sports.

I will say that although there is a very high concentration of D3 schools on the east coast, it looks like the talent is currently concentrated in the center of the country.