WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[Dark Knight]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

[Civic Minded]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

[Mr. Ypsi]

With Carrie Snikkers graduating, and Carissa Verkaik the front-runner for national POY, if Calvin can't manage more than 292 people in games not involving Hope, SHAME, SHAME upon them!

If Carissa can't draw them in, Calvin may as well abandon women's sports (as a spectator attraction).

[Dark Knight]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

Of course Hope women were playing at the Dow Center through the 04-05 season.  Not the most fan friendly place for games.  I'm sure the DeVos is a big reason for the increase in attendance.

[Civic Minded]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

Of course Hope women were playing at the Dow Center through the 04-05 season.  Not the most fan friendly place for games.  I'm sure the DeVos is a big reason for the increase in attendance.

Not to mention, of course, the new ketchup and mustard dispensers...   

[realist]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

Not sure how much better they can get.  This past season they made it as far as Hope did, and handed Hope two of their losses.  Sadly I just don't see Calvin getting fired up even when the women's teams do well.  If V ball draws well this fall as a result of winning a national championship then perhaps b ball may see a spike.

[ziggy]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

Not sure how much better they can get.  This past season they made it as far as Hope did, and handed Hope two of their losses.  Sadly I just don't see Calvin getting fired up even when the women's teams do well.  If V ball draws well this fall as a result of winning a national championship then perhaps b ball may see a spike.

ah ha, a spike. I see what you did there, very clever.

[sflzman]

Found this in the Sentinel; Hope led in attendance for the 3rd straight year; Howard Payne 2nd, Calvin 8th.  Interesting numbers...

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x243995059/Hope-womens-basketball-No-1-in-NCAA-Division-III-home-attendance

I was surprised to hear that Calvin came in as high as eighth. However, if you take away the Hope game at the end of the MIAA tournament and the first two NCAA tournament games, Calvin's attendance average drops from 660 to 402. If you take away the other Hope game, the average goes down to 292. I'm sure that wouldn't be close to eighth...

I'll go out on a limb and predict better numbers for next year.

Does 292 sound right to you?  I know the Hope women draw nice crowds, but I dont' really know, outside of the Hope/Calvin games, what the attendance looks like at a Calvin women's game. 

Maybe there really is something to the theory that Hope draws better because there's less to do in Holland?

Yeah, 292 for non-special games sounds about right. It's pretty poor.

On the other hand, Hope's attendance was in the same ballpark until 6 years ago or so. In 2003/04, average attendance for a Hope home game was 414 -- including the Calvin game and playoff games.

Maybe as the Knights' success increases, so will attendance.

Of course Hope women were playing at the Dow Center through the 04-05 season.  Not the most fan friendly place for games.  I'm sure the DeVos is a big reason for the increase in attendance.

Not to mention, of course, the new ketchup and mustard dispensers...   

Oh boy, this again 

[gohope]

News!

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/05/katie_miller_brings_winning_pe.html

[Civic Minded]

News!

http://www.mlive.com/sports/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/05/katie_miller_brings_winning_pe.html

Thanks for posting this.  Love her DIII credentials!

[oldknight]

Didn't see this change coming:

http://www.mlive.com/smallcolleges/grandrapids/index.ssf/2011/06/west_michigan_area_college_bas.html

[sac]

This of course needed statistical evidence........
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/w_basketball_RB/reports/y-b-ytrends.pdf


Noteworty..........women are shooting 3's a little more than they were before the introduction of the men's line in the 2008-09 season.  But 3pt FGA has been trending up across all 3 divisions for years.   3ptFG% made appears to almost be static for For D1 and D2 with a slight increase in D3.  (actually I think you could argue its down in D1)




Morehouse makes the suggestion that he'd like to see the men adopt the 30 second shot clock, which should result in more possessions.  Probably true, but it doesn't seem to result in more points.  Like the mens game women's scoring has been declining across all 3 divisions for over a decade now.



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Statistical trends for the D2/D3 men.......
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/All-time%20Statistical%20Trends%20chart%20DIIDIII.pdf

when the new line was introduced there was a one year 'pop' for % and a high number of att's.  But 2 years later its looks like the attempts and %made have sunk below their historical average for both D2 and D3.  (I didn't look at D1)

Scoring continues to drop in D2 and D3 on the men's side

[sac]

Nice write-up about Taylor Schimmel's Hope 'recruitment'.

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/feature/x848910169/Amanda-Kerkstras-sister-plans-to-join-Hope-womens-basketball-too

[Civic Minded]

More news on Hope recruits:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/newsnow/x1672987742/Hope-womens-basketball-lands-three-more-recruits

6 footers...nice!