WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[realist]

In the 2011-2012 season CV 19.2ppg; 8.8 rpg; 26.8 mpg
In the 2012-2013 season CV 18.3ppg; 9.1 rpg; 24.4 mpg

Looking at that comparison it would appear that CV is actually on top of her game, and in full stride.
CV is 18.3 ppg in conference, 2.2 ahead of Spragg from Trine.  Liz Ellis is 11.1 ppg.
CV leads rpg by 1 rpg, fg% by .050, and is 2nd in ft%.

[realist]

Hope up to # 5 in week 6 top 25.

[Roundball999]

Great performance by the MIAA with two of the five top ranked teams, Calvin #2 and Hope #5.  Hope is leading the nation in scoring defense at 43.5 ppg.

[knight4ball]

Interesting results when looking at current ranked top 25 and SOS.. who would have thought the top 5... would be at the bottom 7.

Top 25 ranking        NCAA SOS
8.       Tufts                      9
25.     George Fox            12
14.     Simpson                27
15      UW-Whitewater      41
23      Christopher Nwpt   44
6        Amherst                47
17      Catholic                 49
10      Lewis & Clark         68
20      Lebanon Valley       80
12      Montclair St           84
9        Ohio Northern        87
22      Babson                  103
18      York                      112
16      UW Stevens PT       115
13      Southern Maine       140
11      Thomas More          145
24      Mount Union           146
19      Whitman                149
5        Hope                     194
4        St. Thomas             200
2        Calvin (1)               212
7        Messiah                  231
1        DePauw (24)           262
21      Cornell                    269
3        Washington U          279

[Roundball999]

Wow.  I'm not sure I understand the NCAA SoS you refer to, or the reason for the huge disparity between that and Massey SoS ratings.

[knight4ball]

Can't say I understand how it is all computed as well.. but numbers are from d3hoops site..

http://www.d3hoops.com/seasons/women/2012-13/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

[Pat Coleman]

The NCAA's SOS only takes into account regional games, so that may have some impact. In the NCAA's mind, Calvin and St. Thomas get no credit for playing each other, nor do Calvin and UW-Stevens Point.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The NCAA's SOS only takes into account regional games, so that may have some impact. In the NCAA's mind, Calvin and St. Thomas get no credit for playing each other, nor do Calvin and UW-Stevens Point.

Don't know if it affects any of the women's teams, but someone also pointed out that for the men, Massey was (improperly) including some exhibitions against d1 opponents.

[Roundball999]

The NCAA's SOS only takes into account regional games, so that may have some impact. In the NCAA's mind, Calvin and St. Thomas get no credit for playing each other, nor do Calvin and UW-Stevens Point.

Don't know if it affects any of the women's teams, but someone also pointed out that for the men, Massey was (improperly) including some exhibitions against d1 opponents.

Looking at a few of the women's teams on Massey, that doesn't appear to be the problem.

I'm thinking Pat is on the right track; as he pointed out Calvin played an extremley tough non-league schedule and did very well, but NCAA gives them no credit for that.  Same with Hope and their win over UW-WW for example.  DePauw gets no credit in the NCAA system for wins over very strong teams like Washington St Louis, IWU and Babson.  In fact the strong teams seemed most likely to play strong non-league schedules that often included top out of region opponents.  As a result, in some cases it seems like the NCAA SoS calculation gives almost the opposite results of the Massey system.  To me, the Massey system is a much more realistic view of SoS for national ranking purposes.

Yet another foible of the flawed NCAA regional selection system.

[Mr. Ypsi]

DePauw/IWU IS in-region (200-mile rule).  (But IWU's lousy, for them, record early in the season doesn't help DePauw much!)

[sac]

The NCAA's SOS only takes into account regional games, so that may have some impact. In the NCAA's mind, Calvin and St. Thomas get no credit for playing each other, nor do Calvin and UW-Stevens Point.

Don't know if it affects any of the women's teams, but someone also pointed out that for the men, Massey was (improperly) including some exhibitions against d1 opponents.

Only one I found was George Fox having a game with Portland State count for massey.  Really didn't look much deeper than that though.  Taking that game out still puts George Fox in the top 10 though for SOS.

[Pat Coleman]

The NCAA's SOS only takes into account regional games, so that may have some impact. In the NCAA's mind, Calvin and St. Thomas get no credit for playing each other, nor do Calvin and UW-Stevens Point.

Don't know if it affects any of the women's teams, but someone also pointed out that for the men, Massey was (improperly) including some exhibitions against d1 opponents.

Looking at a few of the women's teams on Massey, that doesn't appear to be the problem.

I'm thinking Pat is on the right track; as he pointed out Calvin played an extremley tough non-league schedule and did very well, but NCAA gives them no credit for that.  Same with Hope and their win over UW-WW for example.  DePauw gets no credit in the NCAA system for wins over very strong teams like Washington St Louis, IWU and Babson.  In fact the strong teams seemed most likely to play strong non-league schedules that often included top out of region opponents.  As a result, in some cases it seems like the NCAA SoS calculation gives almost the opposite results of the Massey system.  To me, the Massey system is a much more realistic view of SoS for national ranking purposes.

I don't know about that -- Massey seems to disproportionately favor schools in the West, especially on the men's side. No denying that there is an epicenter of Division III strength there, but I think it's a little exaggerated by Massey's formula.

[bballforever]

3 days until Calvin/Hope matchup. 

Any thoughts or predictions??

[realist]

Calvin 98 K 52

[bballforever]

So, based upon the scores of the games last night, history holds true.
Hope best in defense, Calvin scoring alot of points.  Showdown Saturday should be interesting.