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way  to  hope   girls          on the win tonight
i love hope  sports all of them are really great to watch

sac

I think I could watch the Hope and Calvin women play every day and not get bored.  Its quite a chess match out there between two very good teams.


Roundball999

Any chance that Hope would host first round games?  Or is it unlikely given that Ohio Northern and DePauw are likely still ahead of Hope in regional rankings....

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Quote from: Roundball999 on February 24, 2013, 06:50:23 AM
Any chance that Hope would host first round games?  Or is it unlikely given that Ohio Northern and DePauw are likely still ahead of Hope in regional rankings....

There have been teams ranked 3rd in a region who have hosted in the past so it is still a good possibility.
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Quote from: sac on February 24, 2013, 12:15:39 AM
I think I could watch the Hope and Calvin women play every day and not get bored.  Its quite a chess match out there between two very good teams.

It really was heart-stopping basketball, that's for sure. Gust was tremendous for Hope and almost single-handedly willed the Hope women to victory. Verkaik was her usual self except she missed some good looks the last ten minutes she usually makes. I don't think it was just bad luck though. Hope hounded her all afternoon and I think she was pretty gassed so credit to the defense. If your legs are shot it's a lot tougher to make baskets. Engelhard had a tough game going 0-5 from the floor. With all that, Calvin lost the game the last 20 seconds of the first half when, holding a six point lead with the ball and no shot clock to worry about, they took not one but two ill advised shots. Hope got the ball back and scored four points the last 3.5 seconds they should never have been able to score and Calvin lost by three.

Calvinhoops

How did the end of the half happen?  Didn't Calvin call a timeout? Nevertheless, the players should have known what to do.   

pointlem

One of the NCAA's considerations for hosting is the venue and revenue . . . so perhaps the average home attendance numbers might weigh, among other things, in Hope's favor.  I was stimulated to look partly by visiting the streaming video of the DePauw game yesterday and being surprised at how empty the place seemed to be (attendance 415), given their team's #1 ranking.

Home average attendance:
DePauw = 290
Ohio Northern - 425
Thomas Moore - 454
Hope = 1019
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 24, 2013, 06:50:23 AM
Any chance that Hope would host first round games?  Or is it unlikely given that Ohio Northern and DePauw are likely still ahead of Hope in regional rankings....

Roundball999

Quote from: pointlem on February 24, 2013, 01:16:18 PM
One of the NCAA's considerations for hosting is the venue and revenue . . . so perhaps the average home attendance numbers might weigh, among other things, in Hope's favor.  I was stimulated to look partly by visiting the streaming video of the DePauw game yesterday and being surprised at how empty the place seemed to be (attendance 415), given their team's #1 ranking.

Home average attendance:
DePauw = 290
Ohio Northern - 425
Thomas Moore - 454
Hope = 1019
Quote from: Roundball999 on February 24, 2013, 06:50:23 AM
Any chance that Hope would host first round games?  Or is it unlikely given that Ohio Northern and DePauw are likely still ahead of Hope in regional rankings....

That's really a shame for the DePauw girls.  They've been #1 since early in the season and only 290 turn out for their games?  They deserve better.

calvinite

Quote from: oldknight on February 24, 2013, 08:01:06 AM

With all that, Calvin lost the game the last 20 seconds of the first half when, holding a six point lead with the ball and no shot clock to worry about, they took not one but two ill advised shots....

Since Calvin lost the game in the last 20 seconds of the first half, their lack of a foul --or really an attempt to foul -- between 27 seconds left in the game to 16 seconds left in game with the shot clock off) could have cost them the game if they hadn't already lost the game at that point -- if this makes any sense which it probably doesn't

I rarely (this might be the FIRST TIME EVER) get inside information, but I heard first-hand that Carrisa was NOT feeling well on Friday -- and I assume this carried over to Saturday. I think this also explains a little what I would characterize as 'not her best game' (or OK's reference to tired legs). I don't think she played poorly (or was significantly sick with the flu), but I do think she was NOT feeling 100%, and I think it showed.
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Pool C bid opportunities for Calvin? I have to believe it's likely, but given what happened to Hope last year, I know you can't take anything for granted?
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Quote from: Calvinhoops on February 24, 2013, 10:28:34 AM
How did the end of the half happen?  Didn't Calvin call a timeout? Nevertheless, the players should have known what to do.

After Calvin missed two shots with 20 seconds left, Hope took possession, got fouled with 3.5 seconds and made both free throws. Calvin threw the inbounds pass to halfcourt where it was intercepted and Hope scored a runner at the buzzer.

bballfan13

Quote from: calvinite on February 24, 2013, 02:32:41 PM
Pool C bid opportunities for Calvin? I have to believe it's likely, but given what happened to Hope last year, I know you can't take anything for granted?

Calvin should easily be in the tournament as a Pool C bid.  It was different for Hope last year as they were never regionally ranked. 

The question now will be what the NCAA does with the hosting.  I believe Ohio Northern and DePauw will be hosting, done deal (as long as they have submitted the necessary paperwork).  Hope has a chance to host as well as they should be ranked 3rd in the region.  They hosted 2 years ago when they were ranked 3rd in the region behind Thomas More and Calvin (who both hosted as well).  I also think Calvin has an outside chance (small though) to host the first weekend.  It will depend on how the seeding and geography plays out for who makes the tournament.

It will be fun to watch on Monday to see the draw.  I'm hoping at least 1 MIAA team gets to host (which if only 1 it should be Hope) as both Calvin and Hope are deserving IMO.

Roundball999

Quote from: calvinite on February 24, 2013, 02:32:41 PM
Pool C bid opportunities for Calvin? I have to believe it's likely, but given what happened to Hope last year, I know you can't take anything for granted?

Agree with bballfan13, Calvin has had a good regional ranking all along and none of the "bad" regional losses that Hope had last year.  They should be a shoo-in for Pool C.

Roundball999

Quote from: calvinite on February 24, 2013, 02:31:35 PM
Quote from: oldknight on February 24, 2013, 08:01:06 AM

With all that, Calvin lost the game the last 20 seconds of the first half when, holding a six point lead with the ball and no shot clock to worry about, they took not one but two ill advised shots....

Since Calvin lost the game in the last 20 seconds of the first half, their lack of a foul --or really an attempt to foul -- between 27 seconds left in the game to 16 seconds left in game with the shot clock off) could have cost them the game if they hadn't already lost the game at that point -- if this makes any sense which it probably doesn't

I rarely (this might be the FIRST TIME EVER) get inside information, but I heard first-hand that Carrisa was NOT feeling well on Friday -- and I assume this carried over to Saturday. I think this also explains a little what I would characterize as 'not her best game' (or OK's reference to tired legs). I don't think she played poorly (or was significantly sick with the flu), but I do think she was NOT feeling 100%, and I think it showed.


Feeling well or not, Carissa had her best game statistically against Hope in at least the last 6 games/2 years.  Yesterday was the first time she topped 20 points in those six games and she had her 2nd highest rebound total out of the six.  She also equalled the most minutes played (36) out of the six games.   I thought she had a whale of a game, even more so if she wasn't feeling well.

sac

I don't think there are enough teams in the area to justify Calvin hosting a 4 team pod.  Nationally only 15 schools are going to host a 4 team pod.

DePauw and Ohio Northern are most certainly hosting, next in line from the GL would be Hope and/or Thomas More.  Have to figure either UW-Whitewater or Washington-Stl or even both will get a host as well.   Just can't see a need for a sixth or seventh 4 team pod in this part of country.  Calvin's just a little too far down the pecking order I think.