WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[realist]

Calvin didn't do everything right, but they still managed to do enough to remove Hope from the unbeaten ranks  88-77.  It really helps to hit 12 of 22 from beyond the arc.  I haven't watch Hope much this year, but they just never did seem to get things synced  Calvin hit enough of the ft's at the end to manage to put off a game try by Hope to salvage the game.

[Roundball999]

Calvin didn't do everything right, but they still managed to do enough to remove Hope from the unbeaten ranks  88-77.  It really helps to hit 12 of 22 from beyond the arc.  I haven't watch Hope much this year, but they just never did seem to get things synced  Calvin hit enough of the ft's at the end to manage to put off a game try by Hope to salvage the game.

A nice game by Calvin.  Opposite of the earlier game at Devos, Calvin shot well and Hope didn't; that was basically the difference.  Calvin forced Hope's defense to give up a season high, by a significant margin.  I thought Hope's helpside defense was uncharacteristically lackadaisical for most of the game.  Also credit the Knights defense, though McAfee and others missed a number of easy layups that ordinarily are automatic.  Hope was +10 on the boards but it wasn't enough to offset the shooting % margin and the 12 3's.  I'm not one to subscribe to the theory that a loss helps an undefeated team.  But, a good tough battle like that has to be good for both teams heading into the postseason.

[sac]

Hope maintains #2 ranking.  A loss this weekend might make that dicey next week.  Calvin, unfortunately looks like they must win the MIAA Tournament to get bid.  But my knowledge here goes no deeper than these 9 teams, so I don't know were they stand exactly.


1 Thomas More 24-0 25-0
2 Hope 23-1 24-1
3 Ohio Northern 22-3 22-3
4 Denison 22-3 22-3
5 Carnegie Mellon 18-6 18-6
6 Bluffton 21-2 23-2
7 Capital 19-6 19-6
8 Rose-Hulman 20-3 22-3
9 La Roche 22-3 22-3

[Roundball999]

Hope maintains #2 ranking.  A loss this weekend might make that dicey next week.  Calvin, unfortunately looks like they must win the MIAA Tournament to get bid.  But my knowledge here goes no deeper than these 9 teams, so I don't know were they stand exactly.


1 Thomas More 24-0 25-0
2 Hope 23-1 24-1
3 Ohio Northern 22-3 22-3
4 Denison 22-3 22-3
5 Carnegie Mellon 18-6 18-6
6 Bluffton 21-2 23-2
7 Capital 19-6 19-6
8 Rose-Hulman 20-3 22-3
9 La Roche 22-3 22-3

Wondering about Hope's prospects of hosting NCAA first round - if they can win league tournament?  Recalling that they were passed over once or twice in some recent years when they seemed deserving....

[Mr. Ypsi]

Hope maintains #2 ranking.  A loss this weekend might make that dicey next week.  Calvin, unfortunately looks like they must win the MIAA Tournament to get bid.  But my knowledge here goes no deeper than these 9 teams, so I don't know were they stand exactly.


1 Thomas More 24-0 25-0
2 Hope 23-1 24-1
3 Ohio Northern 22-3 22-3
4 Denison 22-3 22-3
5 Carnegie Mellon 18-6 18-6
6 Bluffton 21-2 23-2
7 Capital 19-6 19-6
8 Rose-Hulman 20-3 22-3
9 La Roche 22-3 22-3

Wondering about Hope's prospects of hosting NCAA first round - if they can win league tournament?  Recalling that they were passed over once or twice in some recent years when they seemed deserving....

In even numbered years, men have priority on hosting first weekend, so IF the Hope men host, the women won't (but very much up in the air whether or not the men will host).

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

To be honest, the women will probably host. I don't think the men have set themselves up for a hosting chance. That being said... we have been surprised in the past.

[Mr. Ypsi]

To be honest, the women will probably host. I don't think the men have set themselves up for a hosting chance. That being said... we have been surprised in the past.

I agree.  The Hope women are more deserving of hosting than the men, and are geographically well situated to take one (or more) of the WIAC Pool C teams.

[sac]

 A loss by Hope this weekend would seem to make hosting a question mark if they have the opportunity.  The women and men don't interpret things the same at all, but another loss closes the gap for ONU and raises the possibility that ONU could move ahead of them.  That would make ONU one of the favorites to host.

current slash lines  win%/SOS/RvRRO's

Hope      .958/.456/1-0
ONU       .880/.530/1-3

A loss on Friday makes Hope's win%  .920, a loss on Saturday .923.  IF ONU were to win the OAC Tournament they would obviously close that gap in Win% some.  I don't know what it would take for the women to interpret these numbers as ONU being ranked higher.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The women tend to reward higher WLs than SOS numbers, though Hope hasn't done themselves any favors with that SOS. You certainly raise a good point about it closing the gap. That loss to Calvin last week could ultimately bite Hope.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The women tend to reward higher WLs than SOS numbers, though Hope hasn't done themselves any favors with that SOS. You certainly raise a good point about it closing the gap. That loss to Calvin last week could ultimately bite Hope.

It was a loss to Calvin - in the eyes of any Hope fan it can't bite any worse than that 

[pointlem]

In even numbered years, men have priority on hosting first weekend, so IF the Hope men host, the women won't (but very much up in the air whether or not the men will host).

I understood that this year the women would have first dibs on hosting . . . but maybe I'm mistaken?

[Mr. Ypsi]

In even numbered years, men have priority on hosting first weekend, so IF the Hope men host, the women won't (but very much up in the air whether or not the men will host).

I understood that this year the women would have first dibs on hosting . . . but maybe I'm mistaken?

You may have picked that up from d-mac, who has talked about having it backwards much of this year.  He realized his error a few weeks ago.  It looks quite unlikely that the men will host, so that shouldn't be a factor in the women hosting.

[bballfan13]

Hope maintains #2 ranking.  A loss this weekend might make that dicey next week.  Calvin, unfortunately looks like they must win the MIAA Tournament to get bid.  But my knowledge here goes no deeper than these 9 teams, so I don't know were they stand exactly.


1 Thomas More 24-0 25-0
2 Hope 23-1 24-1
3 Ohio Northern 22-3 22-3
4 Denison 22-3 22-3
5 Carnegie Mellon 18-6 18-6
6 Bluffton 21-2 23-2
7 Capital 19-6 19-6
8 Rose-Hulman 20-3 22-3
9 La Roche 22-3 22-3

I think you're right here Sac.  Calvin needs to win the MIAA tournament to make the NCAAs.  After those 9 I have the next 4 at:

Wash and Jefferson  .840/.516/1-4
Calvin                     .783/.524/1-3
DePauw                   .760/.513/0-3
Mount Union            .720/.534/3-3

As Dave mentions we do typically see the women's committee put more weight into WL than SOS but they haven't done that with Carnegie Mellon this year. CM has a line of .750/.577/3-4. Their SOS definitely is by far highest in the region and they have played a lot of RRO - mostly just by being in the UAA. Probably fair as to where they are ranked.

I thought we might see Capital fall a bit more than they did this week with their loss.  I thought they would be behind Rose-Hulman, but we're just splitting hairs here.

If the conference #1 seeds win their tournaments we will be looking at this come selection Monday:

Carnegie Mellon (no conference tournament - Pool C as they didn't win their conference)
Capital
Rose-Hulman (tied for conference with Bluffton - Bluffton wins coin flip to host tournament)


So what happens after that?  I believe I know how the process works in the selection of the 19 teams (round by round looking at the top team in each region Pool C eligible, if one gets selected from that region then it's the next one up for the next round).  Will those 4 teams I mention make the list to be put into there (Wash & Jeff, Calvin, DePauw, Mount Union)?  Of course being this far down in the regional rankings will make it hard to get in as their are some other great teams out there that will not win their tournament, but just asking the question on the process for teams just outside the rankings.

[HOPEful]

To be honest, the women will probably host. I don't think the men have set themselves up for a hosting chance. That being said... we have been surprised in the past.

I agree.  The Hope women are more deserving of hosting than the men, and are geographically well situated to take one (or more) of the WIAC Pool C teams.

Deserving shouldn't play a role in the decision.

Hope's men sit behind Marietta, Ohio Wesleyan, and John Carroll in the most recent Regional rankings. Realistically, only two teams will host. Marietta is a virtual lock to host. OWU, JCU and Hope are about as close as you can get to a tie for second. If OWU gets beat by Wooster/Hiram and JCU loses to Mt. Union or Marietta, Hope could very well host with conference tourney wins against Trine and Alma.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

In even numbered years, men have priority on hosting first weekend, so IF the Hope men host, the women won't (but very much up in the air whether or not the men will host).

I understood that this year the women would have first dibs on hosting . . . but maybe I'm mistaken?

You may have picked that up from d-mac, who has talked about having it backwards much of this year.  He realized his error a few weeks ago.  It looks quite unlikely that the men will host, so that shouldn't be a factor in the women hosting.

Yes, I somehow got it backwards awhile back... not sure how and considering I couldn't find confirmation I wasn't able to correct myself earlier. However, we have found the confirmation since and the last 10 days (or week?) or so, I have been trying to correct myself.

MEN have priority opening weekend. WOMEN have priority second weekend.

I will write myself a permanent note in the studio now. LOL