WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Perhaps, but who knows what is considered in a black box selection process. For example, it's not explicitly stated that late wins/losses carry more weight than early ones, but I bet it's considered to some degree, especially if teams are very equal after all primary criteria are considered.

"Additionally, input is provided by regional advisory committees for consideration by the Division III men's and women's basketball committees."

That could mean anything.

And sure HIPAA, but everyone knew pretty immediately when Jake Honor was our for the year. Idk.

The input is a ranking from the RAC sent to the national committee.  It's all spelled out and they work very hard not to include anything outside the well stated criteria.  Injuries aren't a part of it.

[scottiedawg]

Thanks for educating me! I find it fascinating when selection committees are both explicitly told what criteria to consider AND what criteria they cannot consider.   Kind of like deciphering whether a rule book not explicitly disallowing something allows it or not.

Also interesting that D1 committees can factor in injuries but D3 cannot.

[Roundball999]

Muller on crutches; I know nothing, but assume she is indeed out for the year and Hope hasn't announced anything to maximize hosting and seeding probabilities. #KenyonMartin

Her status has been in the newspaper and discussed on these boards weeks ago so there's no secret there.  She had an ACL, has already had surgery and is on the road to recovery.  No doubt she is a great player but Hope has won the last 9 games without her including two vs Trine so seems the Dutch have adjusted as well as could be expected.

[TUAngola]

Congrats to Hope on the win last night.  Did I not mention in previous posts that Ashleigh Thomas always plays well against Trine?    She's been a thorn in our side the past 3 years.  Now it's a wait and see if Trine makes the "dance".  After last years injustice of a draw that Trine received it will be interesting to see if the committee leaves them out altogether this year.  It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Speaking of being shorthanded I noticed in the box score that Trine's Shay Herbert did not start or play at all last night.  It will be huge if we get into the trournament if she is hurt.  We depend on her for defense and rebounding in the post so much.  Does anyone who attended either Friday or Saturday's games know what happened?  Was she in street clothes on the bench for the game last night?

[Roundball999]

Congrats to Hope on the win last night.  Did I not mention in previous posts that Ashleigh Thomas always plays well against Trine?    She's been a thorn in our side the past 3 years.  Now it's a wait and see if Trine makes the "dance".  After last years injustice of a draw that Trine received it will be interesting to see if the committee leaves them out altogether this year.  It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Speaking of being shorthanded I noticed in the box score that Trine's Shay Herbert did not start or play at all last night.  It will be huge if we get into the trournament if she is hurt.  We depend on her for defense and rebounding in the post so much.  Does anyone who attended either Friday or Saturday's games know what happened?  Was she in street clothes on the bench for the game last night?

You did say that about Thomas.  I think she's had at least two of her career highs vs. Trine.  No idea why.

I know the number of losses is a little concerning but it would be a travesty IMO is Trine isn't selected.  Great SoS and a really strong team.  I just hope the Dutch never see them again

[scottiedawg]

Her status has been in the newspaper and discussed on these boards weeks ago so there's no secret there.

Then that's my fault--I totally missed that.

[hope81]

Speaking of being shorthanded I noticed in the box score that Trine's Shay Herbert did not start or play at all last night.  It will be huge if we get into the trournament if she is hurt.  We depend on her for defense and rebounding in the post so much.  Does anyone who attended either Friday or Saturday's games know what happened?  Was she in street clothes on the bench for the game last night?

Sources at the game last night indicated she banged her knee quite hard on the scorer's table.  There is hope though that it is just a bruise and she may be available for next weekend if Trine's season continues on.

[pointlem]

With #5 Bowdoin today defeating #1 Tufts, 70 to 60, Hope ends its regular season as the only undefeated DIII women's team . . . and likely a #1 ranking to come. Regardless of what happens in the NCAA tournament, that is an achievement for this team to savor.

And obviously, TUAngola, Trine is but an inch off from that level . . . and after both teams last year graduated their top scoring stars. A great season for Trine as well.

[gordonmann]

The last seven champions have been undefeated so...

Congratulations to the 2020 National Champion Hope College Flying Dutch!

Seriously, it's been a really special season already.

[Roundball999]

The last seven champions have been undefeated so...

Congratulations to the 2020 National Champion Hope College Flying Dutch!

Seriously, it's been a really special season already.

Yikes, we don't need that bulletin board fodder!  Though it has a nice ring to it.....

I'm no expert, but it looks to me that there are a larger number of teams than usual that you could imagine winning the championship this year.  Just watching video, it's hard to discern much difference among the top teams.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The last seven champions have been undefeated so...

Congratulations to the 2020 National Champion Hope College Flying Dutch!

Seriously, it's been a really special season already.

Yikes, we don't need that bulletin board fodder!  Though it has a nice ring to it.....

I'm no expert, but it looks to me that there are a larger number of teams than usual that you could imagine winning the championship this year.  Just watching video, it's hard to discern much difference among the top teams.

Better hope that CCIW champ IWU doesn't get sent to Holland.  In 2012, the Hope men were ranked #1 and undefeated against D3 competition (23 game winning streak overall) - in double OT (one of the greatest games I've ever seen in person), they were bounced from the tourney by the Titans.

As a Titan fan, I also hope we don't get sent to Holland.  We already beat Chicago by 7 on their court, and only lost by 2 to DePauw on a neutral court.  I think we'd stand a much better chance against either of those likely hosts than against the Dutch - we caught lightning in 2012, but I don't wanna tempt fate!

[scottiedawg]

I have Hope with the 3rd hardest "potential 1st and 2nd rd pod draw", which assumes the higher Massey ranked team wins. So Hope would face Grove City, then Illinois Wesleyan.

This is due to Hope's 1st round opponent being ranked 57 in Massey. The difference in spots of 56 is the 15th smallest gap of the 1st round matchups. BUT, Hope's winning probability vs. #56 could be similar to say, SUNY New Paltz vs. Husson. You're probably at 99%+ anyway.

If the "chalk" wins in the 1st round, Hope's 2nd round game vs. #27 IWU would be the 13th easiest matchup of the 16.

Tufts and Amherst probably have a 99.9% chance to win their opening round games.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well, if we survive Friday against Berea (about whom I know absolutely nothing except that they went 23-3), I guess I'll spend Saturday chanting "2012, 2012, 2012"!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Well, if we survive Friday against Berea (about whom I know absolutely nothing except that they went 23-3), I guess I'll spend Saturday chanting "2012, 2012, 2012"!

What do a bunch of 30 year old guys (everyone who played in that MENS game is in or close to their 30s by now) have to do with this women's tournament Chuck?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well, if we survive Friday against Berea (about whom I know absolutely nothing except that they went 23-3), I guess I'll spend Saturday chanting "2012, 2012, 2012"!

What do a bunch of 30 year old guys (everyone who played in that MENS game is in or close to their 30s by now) have to do with this women's tournament Chuck?

Obviously, absolutely nothing.  But I need to do something to keep my spirits up when facing what looks like a hopeless cause!