WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[NW Hope Fan]

I know I'm getting ahead of myself...

What are the chances of George Fox hosting if they win their first?  I'm particularly interested because I'm hoping Hope also will still be in it by then.  GF is undefeated and Hope has that one pesky loss, but that's not enough information to base that decision. 

I suppose GF hosting would probably be a longshot, but NWHopeFan would surely enjoy the chance to see the Flying Dutch right in his backyard.

Any insight would be helpful and appreciated.

I wouldn't complain... at 1 hour away and in the middle of Oregon wine country it could be a fun weekend. I'd be glad to be a weekend host!

[Erm Schmigget]

I know I'm getting ahead of myself...

What are the chances of George Fox hosting if they win their first?  I'm particularly interested because I'm hoping Hope also will still be in it by then.  GF is undefeated and Hope has that one pesky loss, but that's not enough information to base that decision. 

I suppose GF hosting would probably be a longshot, but NWHopeFan would surely enjoy the chance to see the Flying Dutch right in his backyard.

Any insight would be helpful and appreciated.

I wouldn't complain... at 1 hour away and in the middle of Oregon wine country it could be a fun weekend. I'd be glad to be a weekend host!

Let's see...  Oh, good!  Vera and I have no obligations that Sunday morning.  I'll put Priceline in my favorites, just in case.      

[hope1]

the  hope home game thie week washingiton  jefferson they look really good with a record of 24-4

[WWWRHH]

I have developed a preliminary "scouting report" based upon a quick look at the Washington & Jefferson Presidents season stats and roster. 

It appears that in some ways the Presidents resemble the Dutch, in that their leading scorer (#15 Hays 6-0) @ 15.9 ppg is a post player.  Hays is also a solid rebounder @ 6.2 per game.

Like Hope, scoring is fairly well distributed among the other starters (10.1, 10.0, 9.0, 6.7).

The other post player (#33 Gibson 6-1) is also a solid contributor with 10.0 points and 10.6 rebounds per game.

Hays and Gibson combined average 25.9 points and 16.8 rebounds a game vs. 22.8 points and 15.8 rebounds for the Snikkers / Knox Hope post combination of 22.8 points and  15.8 rebounds.

However, the Presidents post players average 27.6 minutes a contest, vs. the Hope tandem of 20.3 minutes.

Hope's posts players are solid defenders that have typically held counterparts scoring and rebounding stats to well below their overall averages.  Hope's post players are also a little bigger than Hays and Gibson.

W&J has some firepower and is a solid defensive team, but somewhat less potent in both categories than Hope.

Hope seems to have a clear depth advantage

Starters               Hope             W&J

Minutes played                     53%                       67%
                                         (21.2)                    (26.79)

Scoring                                  60%                      74% 
                                           
Rebounds                             55%                       64%


Team

Points Per Game                    77.9                      70.1

Opponents ppg                     55.2                       54.3

Rebound Margin                      8.3                         6.4

Based on the stats it does not appear that W&J has the third strong rebounder like Greene nor anyone as aggressive as Greene on defense.  Nor do the stats point to a post off the bench that can play significant minutes like Bruinsma while maintaining production similar to the starters.

Also missing off the bench for the Presidents lineup is a scorer like DeKuiper or a defensive stopper / decent scorer such as Geers.

The point guards have comparable stats per minute played.  W&J's point, #24 Killeen 5-5, appears very solid and may have a slight edge in some categories.

(Speculative) Keys to the Game:  Snikkers and Knox avoiding early fouls, defensive pressure on the Presidents posts, and fresh Dutch legs maintaining consistent defensive pressure.   If Cowen and / or Greene have a hot hand that would be an added bonus.

I will note that their are no common opponents, and W&J seems to play in a stronger conference than Hope given that two PAC teams qualified for the playoffs.  They appear very solid and are a very credible opponent.

[sac]

Been awhile but in 2003 the Dutch beat Wash & Jeff in the NCAA's 71-60, that WJ team was 22-2.

[hope1]

tickets  go sale wed  at devoss  i think  10.00

[WWWRHH]

Hope players received almost as much post season MIAA recognition as possible:

http://www.miaa.org/wbb/

Carrie Snikkers - MVP

All MIAA First Team:  Carrie Snikkers, Jenny Cowen

All MIAA Second Team:  Philly Greene,  Courtney Knox

Considering that no more than two players per school can be named to each all MIAA team, and no more than four total between first and second all conference this is about the best that the Dutch could do.  However, I really feel that Kopke is as deserving of recognition as the other starters.

(Although Nicole Beier from St. Mary's lost the last few weeks of her senior year to injury, I think the second team all conference recognition she received was well deserved.)

In addition to the all conference recognition, Courtney Knox was also named player of the week for the first time in her career.

[sac]

Nicole Beier of St. Mary's missed 6 games plus the conference tournament and still earned second team all-miaa.  Thats pretty impressive really..........and she only started 2 conference games.


You never know what a difference one player can make but it should be noted.......Nicole in the lineup, St. Mary's beat Hope.  Nicole out of the lineup, Hope beat St. Mary's twice rather easily.

[WWWRHH]

Nicole Beier of St. Mary's missed 6 games plus the conference tournament and still earned second team all-miaa.  Thats pretty impressive really..........and she only started 2 conference games.


You never know what a difference one player can make but it should be noted.......Nicole in the lineup, St. Mary's beat Hope.  Nicole out of the lineup, Hope beat St. Mary's twice rather easily.

I shouldn't take the bait, but I will.

There were a lot of reasons Hope lost the game at St. Mary's and Beier's career game against the Dutch's zone (I can't recall a subsequent reappearance of the zone) was one of them.  I obviously think that Beier is a very good player and left alone she hits from the outside better than any big player in the league except Snikkers.  I have no idea why she did not start - the coach must think she brings an added dimension off the bench.  I also was hopeful that she would not have to finish her career sidelined by injury.

However, I do not think her presence would have made much difference last Saturday as the Hope women played their best defense of the year last Thursday and Saturday.

Remember the lineup the Belles fielded Saturday was the same group that handled Calvin with only moderate difficulty two nights before when the Knights seemed to be gaining momentum.

The Dutch played great defense in the championship game and, as they say, the game was not as close as the score would indicate.

[oldknight]

Nicole Beier of St. Mary's missed 6 games plus the conference tournament and still earned second team all-miaa.  Thats pretty impressive really..........and she only started 2 conference games.

What's is even more impressive is the fact that Marcia Harris was named First Team All-MIAA. Marcia played in only 6 of 16 regular season games (2 in December and 4 in February), but in the games she appeared Harris averaged 20 points per game despite averaging less than 21 minutes played in each game she appeared. The voters obviously regarded Marcia's contributions (and her return when she could easily have called it a career) as worthy of recognition.

[almcguirejr]

Carissa Verkaik coming to Calvin:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1362395605/PREP-ROUNDUP-Maroons-top-player-chooses-Calvin-College

[fannie]

Any idea why women's tickets are more costly than the men's tickets for the upcoming first round of NCAA tourney?  At Hope - 8 dollars, at Wheaton 6 dollars........

[hope1]

i think  why because the devoss is bigger then wheaton  gym lots of tickets left i got my  5

[Pat Coleman]

Any idea why women's tickets are more costly than the men's tickets for the upcoming first round of NCAA tourney?  At Hope - 8 dollars, at Wheaton 6 dollars........

The host school can set prices as it likes -- the NCAA only sets a minimum, as far as I can tell.

[sac]

Nicole Beier of St. Mary's missed 6 games plus the conference tournament and still earned second team all-miaa.  Thats pretty impressive really..........and she only started 2 conference games.

What's is even more impressive is the fact that Marcia Harris was named First Team All-MIAA. Marcia played in only 6 of 16 regular season games (2 in December and 4 in February), but in the games she appeared Harris averaged 20 points per game despite averaging less than 21 minutes played in each game she appeared. The voters obviously regarded Marcia's contributions (and her return when she could easily have called it a career) as worthy of recognition.

Missed that one OK, thats very impressive as well.